Why No Dispensaries in New Mexico...

[Doobee]

No grow is allowed to be seen from the street views.

Not seen thru windows or fences or doors or etc etc....

A green house is ok so long as not available to access by outsiders and is not free standing abating the neighboring properties and has to be behind locked fencing and secured.

All has to be secured and alarmed.

Pretty much common sense I should say.

^^ I dont think you can grow unless it is away from public veiw. So no out door, but they are not to specific about green houses as far as I heard. as long as it is away from public view and complys to the rest of the rules.

here is info you need ....... you will need your medical history, and then fill out the application, and then do your reserach.

Medical Marijuana Information

[MadSativa]

And it appears they are getting what they want...very little mmj activity.

Then again maybe it's just me who sees thru the dog and pony shows and smoke and mirrors antics in it all.

Its always been like that here, but I thought bulding a non profit organization, was a little easyer. When you go to the bank for a bussiness loan, they ask is it for a non-profit organization. If it is they are supposed to have more opptions as far as a bussiness loan, becasue I dont think we can spend to much of our money, becasue we will not recive most or all of it back, for a very long time, if at all. We would all have a hourly wage, and benifites, but that would be about it. The land, the bussiness, would be under the non profit organization name not us, we would be employess. As far as what people would think and try to fight us out of the state, we could donate some of the yearly funds to education, not just on Marijuana, but just on computers or what ever we would find helpfull for the state. after a year of bussiness I would imagine their would be net proffits to share even after upgrdes and bills. And for security, and wiring and construction, that can be done by us, if money comes in from a bussiness loan, we will have materials, and labor could be done by us and volunteers, because at that point we would already be on the pay roll. Lights and nutes are the major cost I would think, after that the bills from light, gas, water, etc. even if were getting $15 an hour and 10 hours of overtime per week, that is no comparison to the light bill alone. a 1000W running is about $30-90 a month, put into a count of 10-20,000W on a monthly basis bills would be close to 5,000. all labor does not have to be imediate, meening we can grow while we make the store front. I recomend a in house bakery as well, nothing fancy but a stove and microwave and fridge/freezer would be needed. Wiring, and plumming, and construction, just about everything can be done by us, so all the money can be pored into the grow room. Security is some what expensive, but insurance I am sure will be costly too. As for the need to protect by violance, that should never have to happen, or the exzisting security was already a faliure. It should be like a minimum security faclity, one exit one entrance, both separated. Parking lot is completely secured from the rest of the neiborhood with a fenceabout 14 feet high and razor wire throught. the facility should have a perimiter with its own security system, the interior of the perimitor should have a parking lot, just to get in the parking lot everyone in the car needs to have a card, if not they will have to leave their cargo some where elese. the only exception should be kids, but even then they has to be a separt part of the building just for them such as a waiting room, personaly I think in the begaing even moms and dads will have to leave the kids with the baby sitters, because kids on premissis is hard on security, insurance, just about everything. My point is security could be minimal but very effective if put in the right places. Cammeras, and servelance is no problem, the biggest cost is the security officer that would be need in the stor or building its self, he would also monitor the gate and card recognition at the gate, by video, cards are rechecked at the time of buying herb, and again at depature of the facility. Also it would be nice to have a security drive buy day and night, but possibly APD could do this, because of the risk. The interior or building would have all security most bussiness have, motion, light, etc. all monitored electronicaly, buy the security company, wich they will be patched with APD, BCSO, and so on. A live in employee is a good idea but after you have all the security measures in place, it adds conflict. The building would not have to be so big, the grow rooms would be the biggest of the building, the smoke are or areas could be some what small, such as 2 rooms with 20 capacity, and they would be very cramped, as far as counters, I think it would be better to have a veiwing wall, and a one/2 person at a time lock room or vending area, where you perchase herb. the resone is to isolate all sales from the rest of the building, fi you cut down the robbery or ambush factor it will deter anyone from even wanting to robb the dispancary. I too think that the south ABQ area would be the best, because their is alot of area isolated but still close to the freeway. Also a big yard or entraace is a must, the exit could be shorter but distance coming and leaving the facility, gives the occupants the advantage, because we have controll of the perimiter more. Again the south ABQ area has alot of places like this. but with all that said, deliveries are what every one wants, I think this involves much more, but still their are ways to do it and keep the cost down. for all our perimiter and defensive needs we could use old technology such as, retractable tire spike strips, earth/ cement barriers, you want to deter cime you make it look like a prison, so getting in might be possoble, but getting out is just as hard if not harder, the building you want to support like a bank, you money handler must be well protected, and isolated from everyone eles, same as a bank or casino. everything does not have to be as extreem, but it all can be done with about 100,000 for a years time,
within that time, we need to get more cards out their becasue, 200 is just not enough for a full blown grow dispencary, I thnk a couple trips to the states hospitals, visiting cancer patiens alone will double that number with in a couple months, but we realy need chronic pain and depression on that list. thats is over half the states population right their.

[Doobee]

Two more days!

Two more to go when the board votes to the sales agreement amount and signs.
By about this time Wednesday there should be a phone call with good news.
Or bad news there's been a delay or contrary decision.


As for a dispensary and grow operation.....

The place has to look inviting and not like a Nazi prison camp.
No security guard at a gate post.
No spike strips.:wtf:

Further more, if any others have pacifist inclinations then so be it.

But rest assured, if an armed robber came into a place of business wanting the money?
They will be shot so long as there's the opportunity given.

I would not ask APD to do patrol security.
APD would appreciate being kept abreast of the mmj business and no doubt they will have long since been paying close attention.
APD would likely want to do a drive-by now and again but it's something based on need.
And so far as I'm concerned, I'd do all that I could to have no need.
I appreciate APD and the job they do for our city by and by.
But I would not want any customer/patient to feel as if they are entering a war zone and the police are watching their every move and writing down plate numbers and doing wants and warrants checks, etc.

I have no doubt the Board, when inspecting the business during the stages along the way, will have goals and dictates they want to see followed.

So far as a non-profit org?
Sure and the law will not allow anything short of this.
But the worker's pay, my salary, ALL overhead and related expenses are paid for with the gross sales receipts.
When ever ''when'' is and if and when the details are met with facts and business plan, then the time for many of the what's and how's will fall into place.

If a grow op and dispensary were more of a retail business investment to start-up then there would be alot more freedom in how it gets up and running and who is employed.
A store can put a hire sign in the window and hire as the needs dictate.
No fuss, no biggie.
But to hire an employee under the restrictions, back ground checks and such means for a dispensary/grow op to spend money prior to even hiring the person.
Even then, if the back ground/credit check notes a problem, then no hire and the money is spent none the less.
Seems a so-what and yet is important.
That is, no one can be hired unless they are willing to go thru the gaunlet of back ground and credit checks, possibly polygraph exam.
And then to keep in mind the pay in ratio to the job and what the job would require of a new employee.
I'd not be too generous with good will should a new hire quit a month later because they were lazy, wanted to be stoned on the job or otherwise just failed to come in to work because they didn't feel like it.

Also, given the nature and climate for such a business, the notion even a single employee can put everyone and every thing at high risk and jepordy is alot to consider.
So much as 1/4 ounce stolen from the place could end up costing everything and alot more.
All it would take is one asshole employee who stole a pinch of bud and handed it over to a minor.
A patient/customer who buys more than needed for their own use who then resells and gets caught?
Their illegal actions would fly back in the face of the business and give cause for the public to lash out and off goes the news stories and chaos.

Alot and I do mean an awful lot of work will be required to even come up with a plausable plan to start up.
Plenty of money will be spent to just know if the hurdles and maze of requirements can be met.
The time alone would be in the months I would think to even have a written business plan to follow thru with.

None of this keeps me from trying for it, but it does make a difference in how I would do so.

[MadSativa]

I highly disagree on the way the place would look and operate. It does have to look heavely fortifed, if ever robbed its not gonna be one armed gun man it will be a small army. The materials in the building, are worth in the millions, knowing the criminal activity around here, they are not dumb if they see something they can take they will.
And getting the law involved from the start is a definit neccisary. If a robbery were to happen, you want cops in their that are their every day they know the lay out, they know who is their every day. They law is on our side, it is important to remember that, they have to be involved at the highr levels of security.
and a security gard is a must, in the facility, I think even for insurance resons it is requested.
the deterant is for those who are not supposed to be their, the fortifications are to protect those that are supposed to be their.
Tennding to a garden that is plants in close to 100 is very time consumming and hard, to have to watch the place, run the register, and watch security, is to much for even 3 people.
I hear from the Lady in charge, she is highly recommending delevery service only. no store front at all. but in doing so, your delivery guys are at a very high risk. I have many ideas on keeping the risk down, but can not relate them because that would breach security if some one were to use these methods. I have a background in Security, saying much more than that is not advised. But I see problems in California that can be avoided, people do need their Medicin, but people also need their saftey. If those problems in Cali, happend here it could be very bad.

[ChrisIndica]

while i do agree it's going to be a constant uphill struggle and very difficult in getting the 1st MMJ Producer license. Drafting articles of incorporation and a sound business plan takes only a few hours, days at the most. The hardest part about this will be making sure to Incorporate all of the points that the NM board of health has laid out for a NPO that wants to produce. I've written multiple myself and could provide you with copies to give you an idea on the length and what to incorporate.

The NPO board consists of 3 cardholders and one doctor or nurse practitioner at a minimum. Ultimately from which the director (YOU) can choose and have a big influence upon any and all decisions they would make, such as price controls, compensation, and training. ANY doctor or NP licensed in the state of NM can recommend MMJ for a patient suffering from one of the 14 debilitating conditions.

Also, the ONLY difference between an NPO and For profit organization; is in the way they are set up to handle excess profits. a NPO will put them back into the organization while a for profit will distribute the remains among shareholders (owners)

By establishing an NPO you are making a distinct, separate legal entity from which business will be conducted. If any workers are caught stealing or doing illegal things from which their training will have established as illegal; authorities will be promptly notified and they will be terminated on the spot. Shouldn't be any more difficult than needs to be.

Security is a huge issue and most dispensaries have armed guards during operating hours, laser alarms, and sound/audio video cameras with full coverage of the areas. The closer to a police station, the better. Cops will be more than happy to make sure that medicine does not get into the wrong hands, just like a pharmacy.

[Doobee]

And so it goes.

I would have a guard inside the building but not at some gate during bizzness hours.
NO tire strips.
Say, do what you wish and go from there.

My point was to be safe place while not taking on the appearances of a war camp.
I have a background that merits good input concerning security and the safety of the patient/customers as well as the employees hired.

Iron on the front windows, all doors with drop bars, etc are no-brainer things.
Security cameras, sensors and all are as well.

I would be as concerned for what walks out the back doors as what walks in the front.
Realizing the fact employees are responsible for over 60% of all losses/theft rather than the public it would be a goal to prevent such back door theft.
Not so much for the dollar value but most importantly the ramifications of an employee stealing high grade to then sell to their friends, etc.
I will not subject the NPO to the whims of the powers all for one employee closing the place up over a pocket full of bud.

I fully realize the local LEO staff would want to be kept abreast and I would be glad to help them in all manners and ways to make their job and ours all the more at ease.
However, to be low key and not taxing to the APD is what will keep the doors open.
I will not however, if up to me, ask APD to be a baby sitter at a cost to the city tax payers.
The place has to be neighborhood and city friendly, not a nuisance.
We all would agree here I should think.

But never mind now such discussions.

Besides, the location might just as well be a store front along the Nob Hill area as it could be in a commercial area east of the S.E. War Zone.

Personally I would prefer a store front with a large back room area(s) and set up in a way that the retail area would be as inviting and welcome as can be.
But again, such ideas are too far ahead of their time to be fussed over now.
Although it is a benefit now to talk it out and many a good plans are made in such a way.
Besides, more likely than not the first place would be a start-up with much lacking in pipe dreams and ideal notions of the dreamy place any business owner would like to have.
Start off small and prudent and let the success be the factor which then enables a much better place.
I'm concerned for the area and how the patients would feel about driving up.
Should any feel as if they are not safe due to the crappy street/neighborhood
then that place might not be the right place.
Add to the mix the lease costs, renovations, etc to secure and open up that will be among the factors deciding where.
The city may have their inputs as well.
So who knows until the first steps are taken after the plans are under way and feasible.

And...for now at least.

We may have a way and the means to get this all together!

[MadSativa]

We got it!!! Just announced, their has been a producer licenced issued, their will be a supplyer in NM. No dispencary talk yet, I am sure it is all delivery.

[Doobee]

With one NPO opening soon and atleast two more in the wings to be up and running soon....
I think I am out of opening one up now.

I have not the funds to support the employees and doc and related contracted businesses AND pay for all involved in opening the doors for the amount of time into the months and months it will take to see enough returned to pay the way when there will be an already running Op in such a limited customer base market.

I wish I had such an amount of money but alas I have not.
And what money I will have would be barely enough to open a Op as it is.

To consider starting any business on a shoe string is a good 90% failure rate without the much needed money to support a business for a year while it grows into a viable business.

And I'm fine with this really.

The main thing is there is an Op already growing now and a couple more on the way as well for all the mmj patients in New Mexico.

[MadSativa]

^^ I am still in it, we need more than just 3 dispensaries, besides who is to say those will not get closed down. And I will not use my own money, but in time first got to get my card, but I know I am still in it

[Doobee]

Ya really do need to get your mmj card.

By now if I had the hassles you got?:wtf:

I'd long since been to a doctor, new or not, and request to have my medical records transferred to the doc and have the new doc verify my medical history where it concerns my mmj card issues.
Personally, my patience is little to none when professionals play stupid for dumb with me.
I tend to go ultimatums or choices, up to them to choose.

Then I follow thru with the tenacity of a badger.

Might not be as killer bloody with fangs...but I get 'er dun!ostreadrulez:

^^ I am still in it, we need more than just 3 dispensaries, besides who is to say those will not get closed down. And I will not use my own money, but in time first got to get my card, but I know I am still in it