House GOPs Want Feeding Tube Reinserted

[moomoo]

i was wondering why he just didnt divorce her and get on with his life but yes it does sound suspicious im suprised they didnt check him out esp if she had broken bones,thats very strange unless she just fell thro the cracks,but they usually 1st suspect the husband if theres violence. so its really all about the money i guess.ill be paying more attention to this case now

[NowhereMan]

IF the person was braindead, non responsive, in a coma with no hope of ever recovering and had expressly stated and written down beforehand that they would want to die if they were in this situation...i wouldn't have a problem with it.

i wouldn't want the person starved to death or killed if they were clearly not in that situation.

im with ya there pisshead

lets see ? take her husbands word for it so he can collect money shall we?

i dont claim to know what the situation is
but if there is any spark of life in the women she deserves a chance
if she is suffering she deserves rest.
death is not the worst thing on earth,

as a parent i can say i would let my kid go if she was a empty shell ,and that was without a doubt in my head,i would not have false hopes and be greedy and want to herto lay there existing just for my selfishness to have her in my life,if i felt she had no thoughts,and felt no love.
but it would not be by starving her to death.

"full video shows see reacted as natural instinct at different times"
you said that like that would mean she dont know jack shit is happening when in fact it shows she does know something is,

that story is heartbraking though,
peace

[Brammy]

>>that video is purposely edited, as an attempt to show terri is reacting to the stimuli of her familys presense. full video shows see reacted as natural instinct at different times

....with the operative word REACT. She is obviously brain DAMAGED (like you).... NOT BRAIN DEAD. What possible good in the world is done by killing this woman??? All her family is asking is for her husband (who is with another woman and has had kids by her... but thats another story) to grant a divorce and just GO AWAY (like you should).

>> i like to watch pbs,

Of course you do.

>> and listen to neurologists when some prominent ones spoke the same all over the tv the last couple days, not family members and christians who obviously give biased info out.

When I see the film, I see a person with her eyes wide open reacting to her surroundings... I dont see a vegitable. And what if her mother, father and siblings are all lying when they say she can react to stimuli? Can laugh? Can cry?? EVEN IF THEY ARE LYING why not just let them take their daughter home and care for her? They are asking for nothing more than that. Why do you insist on killing her? If there is doubt, why not err on the side of life?

This is not about Republican vs Democrat. Its about thinking people who have a heart and examine the facts of the particular issue vs those knee-jerks among us who believe in STATE UBER ALLIS . Hmmmmm, maybe it IS Republican vs Democrat after all!

[Brammy]

Tell me..... when her husband Michael testified at the medical malpractice suit he emphatically said that he needed the money so that he could take care of his wife for the rest of his live (never mind that he was already involved with his current girlfriend, thats another story). As soon as he got the money, what did he do?..... attempted to cut off all visitation from the family, forbid any outside trips (even a brief stroll in a wheelchair or gurney), forbid any other stimuli like TV or radio. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD HE DO THAT???? This guy clearly has another agenda going on and unfortunately Terri is the one suffering, and is the one who may be killed because of her husbands cruelty.

[Brammy]

FACTS YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT TERRI SCHIAVO'S CASE

Michael Schiavo has authority to make all decisions for Terri Schindler Schiavo because he is her court-appointed guardian, not because he is her husband.

Michael not only seeks to remove Terriâ??s feeding tube. He also continues to deny consent for Terri to take food by mouth, or even to have a swallowing test.

Dr. Ronald Cranford, who testified on behalf of Michael in the case to remove Terriâ??s food and fluids, said that patients like Terri can take food by mouth.

Cranford has said that he would consider spoon-feeding to be "medical treatment."

Cranford has said that spoon-feeding is denied because it "would be totally inconsistent" with what was wanted (e.g. the patientâ??s death).

For more than three years, Michael has refused to allow Terri to be taken outdoors to feel fresh air, sunshine or a cool breeze.

Michael continues to suppress media access to videotapes that clearly show Terri responding to others.

In 1992, Michael filed and won a malpractice case in which a significant award was made for Terriâ??s rehabilitation and therapy. The award was based, in part, on expert testimony that she would live a normal life span.

During the time he was seeking the malpractice award, Michael never indicated that Terri would want to die if she were severely disabled.

Michael has refused to permit any of the money from the malpractice award to be used for Terriâ??s rehabilitation or therapy. Instead, most of the money was used for lawyers Michael hired to help end Terri's life.

Not long after Terri's injury, Michael melted down her wedding and engagement rings to make a ring for himself.

Michael has moved on with his life. He is in a long term intimate relationship with another woman with whom he has two children.

Terriâ??s family -- her parents, her brother and her sister â?? has begged Michael to let them care for Terri. He has refused.

Terriâ??s family -- her parents, her brother and her sister â?? has begged Michael to let Terri have a swallowing test. He has refused.

Terriâ??s family -- her parents, her brother and her sister â?? has begged Michael to give Terri the opportunity to take food by mouth. He has refused.

[Brammy]

READ IT AND WEEP .... literally

http://hyscience.typepad.com/hyscien...schiavo_1.html

About a year and a half ago, I worked two 40 hour wknds(!) up all night in the offices of the (former) lawyer for Terri's parents. I was able to read most of the files on the case. I was there when two former nurses phoned (separately and entirely of their own volition)and asked to come in and give an affidavit about what they knew. They said they could no longer keep silent, though for years they were so intimidated by Michael Schiavo, they were afraid to speak up. I was there when each of them, on their own, arrived in the garage of the office building. Both of them looked around to make sure they were not being followed! Both of them described hideous behavior over the years by Michael Schiavo. They described his phone calls (especially when she had an infection and he forbade antibiotics) asking the nurses "Is the bitch dead yet?" and his boasting of how he was going to spend the money he would get after her death. Weeks would go by when he would not visit at all. Once he received the million dollar settlement, he forbade Terri being taken outside in a wheelchair for change of scenery and fresh air. He forbade music on her radio. He had her personal effects removed from the room - all visual stimuli. Her parents and siblings were not allowed to visit her and could not read her chart. One of the nurses talked about his visits to Terri when he closed the door and was alone with her. When that nurse entered the room after he left, she found Terri shaken, trembling and pale and looking as if she was in a diabetic crisis. Terri has no blood sugar problems due to her regulated diet, but seeing her distress and the appearance of diabetic crisis, the nurse gave her a glucose test anyway and the numbers were so skewed that it was clear Terri was in insulin shock. The nurse gave her a shot to alleviate the diabetic shock and immediately suspected Michael had injected her during his visit to cause this. I believe she said this happened at least twice. The nurses also described taking care of Terri and how when she had menstrual cramps she would curl up and put her hands on her tummy (she was able to move them in those early days before the atrophy progressed due to Michael forbidding therapy)and clearly say "Pain!" or "Pain!" and call for her mother. They said that's how they knew to give her medication for her menstrual pain. They talked about how after Michael won the big settlement award, he forbade all further rehab treatment of every kind. So, on a visit to Terri, he saw this nurse had threaded a washcloth between Terri's fingers to relieve the cramping and he pulled it out of her fingers and shouted "I said NO THERAPY!" Michael removed all family photos from her room. He refused to allow her teeth to be brushed (no doubt hoping a tooth infection would give her a heart attack). When the nurses wrote in her daily chart they had observed her speaking words like "Pain" and "Mommy", the next day their comments were missing from the chart! They talked about how he would stand extra close to them and shout in their faces that he would see that they were fired if they tried to feed her or go against any of his orders. He is a very tall and large man and towers over the average man or woman. They also mentioned that he was having an affair or flirtation with the head nurse and they suspected that's how the charts were being altered. One nurse tried to report the mistreatment of Terri and was fired. I seem to recall she even went to the police but nothing came of it. And there is more - George Felos was on the Board of Directors (cannot recall if he was chair or owner) of the hospice where she was kept. He resigned his post to avoid the scandal of that connection being made. Some of you may not realize that legally a hospice is only for those who have six months or less left to live, who are terminally ill. Hospice is not a convalescent home - it is a place to die in painless comfort with counseling and support given to patient and family. Terri does not belong in hospice. Patients in her condition are normally cared for in convalescent homes. Did you know that George Felos has a book about Terri already written and ready to publish as soon as she dies?

While I worked at that law office, coincidentally, one of the attorneys had an unrelated reason to visit a local funeral home. During that visit, a casual conversation with a funeral home employee revealed, entirely by accident, that the funeral home had an "open file" set up for the immediate, without delay or autopsy, cremation of Terri Schiavo upon her death. Michael Schiavo made these arrangements immediately after winning the big million dollar settlement and all these years they stand ready to carry out his wishes. Once her body is cremated, no one will ever be able to prove the abuse he is so desperate to conceal.

While working in that office I also read statements by co-workers and friends of Terri about the bruises she had, the evident signs of physical abuse that were visible when she would come to work and which she claimed were the result of wrestling with Michael, but no one believed that. Eventually, she admitted to a co-worker and a friend that she wanted to leave Michael and that he was dominating and controlling and she was frightened of him. She talked about leaving him and sharing an apartment with the girlfriend she confided in. She said that Michael was so controlling and scary that he would check her odometer after her daily usage of the car. His behavior is an exact match to that of spousal abusers. When Terri met Michael, she was completely smitten with him - he was very handsome and he was her first boyfriend. She had been a bit chubby and became very weight conscious to be attractive to him. She worshipped him initially and he was able to dominate and intimidate her quite easily due to her naivete. Terri was a vivacious girl. She was a rescuer and enabler by nature. She loved and caredfor injured birds and animals and was very much pro-life. She is also Catholic and there is no reason to believe she disagrees with the church's pro-life stance.

To those who have heard negative comments about Terri's parents, I will say that I am a mature sophisticated woman and have lived all over the country and worked in the health and legal fields most of my life. I met her parents and I have no doubt whatsoever that they are anything less than devoted, loving parents. They are both small in stature and soft-spoken gentle ordinary, middle-class people. I have children in their 30's - parental love only grows with the years and I would fight as hard as they have to prevent the completion of the murder of their daughter.

Most of the money awarded by the court for Terri's rehabilitation has been paid to George Felos. I don't understand how money that is misspent as this was cannot be grounds for prosecution of Michael. He wept in court and brought experts in to testify that Terri could be rehabilitated if they only were given enough money. So, they won that settlement and he immediately ceased all rehab.

I am baffled by the stubborn meanness and refusal of that idiot probate(!) (probate law does not require genius, to put it mildly) judge Greer to admit solid evidence and handle this case fairly. Who knows what transpires behind closed doors to slant the judge in this fashion? Conspiracy? As long as people in this country allow themselves to be told "conspiracy" is a bad word or that believing one exists means you are a nutcase, then we will continue to be duped by unprincipled, self-serving criminals who worship money and power and have no respect for human life. A conspiracy is whenever two or more people secretly plan something and clearly something has compromised the justice in this case.

Just for the record, I am pro-choice and I also believe in a patient's right to choose IF they are able to prepare and sign a witnessed, notarized living will or DNR document. Terri is not vegetative or in any coma at all. Who cannot see the love and life in her eyes when she sees her mother? She was nearly killed and will be killed if Michael gets his way. George Felos will have a bestseller and probably kick back some of that money to Michael Schiavo and who knows who else will profit?

I had to share some of these facts - the news never really reports the truth nowadays. Each day, our local news stations continue to refer to Terri as in a vegetative coma and it infuriates me. Not one journalist, not the local TV news nor the big stations, Larry King, Barbara Walters, etc., has thoroughly sleuthed out all the facts, even the ones I described here, and reported them to the public.

I cannot help but mention to all of you reading this - with so little truth being reported on this case - think about the quality of the news you hear on TV and in the papers about our government, the war in Iraq, social security reform, health and environment, education, political office, taxes, ufos, ETC!!! Do you really think you are getting the truth about everything and that Terri's case is an isolated incident of lies and deceit and poor reporting?

[Edgar]

She is not a vegetable, she woke from the coma, and she can respond with a noise and smiles and shit.
I can understand pulling the plug when they are in a coma and hooked up to life support, thats the humane thing to do (mercy killing), but all she has is a feeding tube. Its fucking insane and crule to kill someone by starvation/dehydration! What i can't believe is how nobody in the news is making this point... I mean for christ sakes she could take up to 2 weeks to die! Thats fucking torture! Now i never expected to be on the same side as Dubya and all those crazy assholes, but i think somone needs to stick up for her... If they are gonna kill her, they should just do it! None of this starvation bullshit.

[moomoo]

he sounds like a real scumbag-i hope he gets his due!

[Torog]

Howdy Brammy,

Thanx for posting the real facts about this case..I'm hoping that they will be on Terri's side,after reading your post. I posted this over at the MariHemp political board,because the liberals over there,are baffled as to why Terri should live and be given the same consideration,in regards to due process..that murderers recieve on death row. If Terri were an animal,I suppose that the Left would have all sorts of sympathy for her..especially PETA.

Have a good one... Torog

[moomoo]

did any of you see Terris husband on Larry King last nite? i saw part of it/ He came off as cold and i dont think the money part was mentioned unless i missed it