Leaves drooping around central vein

[DasPachy]

Bagseed, potting soil, 5 weeks into flower, Botanicare line of ferts.

As you can see, the leaves seem to be folding "hot dog style" along the central vein. This is only occurring towards the bottom of the plant. On some leaves that are not folding hot dog style like this, just the tip of the leaf is drooping towards the floor.
Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

DasPachy Reviewed by DasPachy on 03-02-2009. Leaves drooping around central vein Bagseed, potting soil, 5 weeks into flower, Botanicare line of ferts. As you can see, the leaves seem to be folding "hot dog style" along the central vein. This is only occurring towards the bottom of the plant. On some leaves that are not folding hot dog style like this, just the tip of the leaf is drooping towards the floor. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! Rating: 5

[DasPachy]

Does anyone have any ideas?

[cigarettes42]

have you checked your ph run-off? check that, but also your roots maybe choking cause it looks like you have no kind of perlite or anything to lighten that soil up.

[DasPachy]

have you checked your ph run-off? check that, but also your roots maybe choking cause it looks like you have no kind of perlite or anything to lighten that soil up.

I haven't, but I will next time I water. There is some perlite in the soil, but I agree that there is not enough. If the roots are choking, will this begin to effect the rest of the plant? The lowest leaves have been doing this for a while, but the middle to top of the plant look great.

[dejayou30]

Looks like mass over fertilization to me, but I grow in hydro not soil so I can't be sure.

[DasPachy]

Looks like mass over fertilization to me, but I grow in hydro not soil so I can't be sure.

Wouldn't I see some burnt leaf tips as well? That was what happened to me last time (which was my first time) and I've been looking for that indicator. This is probably a diff. strain though...

[Lit Up]

Could be both problems. What size pot, feeding schedule? You asked for ideas, but shoot everybody's down. Fill out the form.

[DasPachy]

Could be both problems. What size pot, feeding schedule? You asked for ideas, but shoot everybody's down. Fill out the form.

I apologize, didn't mean to come off as shooting down other's ideas. I am new to this and undoubtedly know less than most on here. Regarding the over-fert, I was just simply stating that I had been watching for burnt tips as an indicator of over-fert as that's all I have experienced. I did not realize there were other signs of over-fert. In regards to the roots being choked, I was looking for a timeline in regards to these symptoms creeping their way up the rest of the plant so I could know for sure that root choke is indeed what I am experiencing. Sorry for the miscommunication

[DasPachy]

-indoor
-soilless
-some sort of Miracle Gro with whatever perlite came in
-water source is tap water, pH approx. 7
-approx. 11 weeks veg, now 5 weeks into flower
-Botanicare PureBlend Pro Bloom, Sweet, Liquid Karma, CalMag
-Also supplemented with Carbo Blast
-approx. 5 gal container
-watered 12 cups manufacturer recommended full strength solution about every 3 days
-150w HPS, CFLs, about 14-18inches from plant top (CFLs closer)
-air temp. 78-82F

I think that about covers it

[Rusty Trichome]

Looks to me like overwatering. Do you let the soil dry between waterings? MG soil get's kinda muddy when overmoistened, and anything over 3 gal should be supplimented with more perlite, especially during the cooler, damper winter months.

How long since transplant into the 5'er? There may still be residual time-release nutes from the Mirace Grow soil that she's dealing with, and adding too much will eventually result in leaf burn and more stress. After transplant, with a lady in 12/12...takes about three weeks to a month to deplete MG's nutes.

Since there are signs of stress, I would at least cut-back to half-strength on all of the additives and suppliments. (most of which are, in my garden, unnecessary in the first place) Stressed plants do not fare well when overburdened, and the additives will alter your ph. If you have a ph pen, test the ph of your undiluted additives, (straight out of the bottle) and write the ph on the bottle, to remind you which direction that stuff will take your ph. Also, what's your runoff ph?
Unless there is an air circulation problem, would get the 150w closer to the ladies. I keep my 400w'ers about 12" away just fine, (no lens or cooltube) so likely you should be able to get yours closer without burn. Place the back of your hand under the light, and see how close you can get it without discomfort. (but don't touch the bulb) That should give you an idea how close the lights can be.

-watered 12 cups manufacturer recommended full strength solution about every 3 days

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