The root of problematic drugs

**denialisback** · 03-01-2009, 06:37 PM

I've been thinking carefully and long about marijuana and drugs as a whole for about 10 years, no not doing them, apart from mmj but I've come to some pretty bizarre and damning conclusions.

I have noticed how a lot of gangs, criminals and/or underground networks distribute drugs for the sole purpose of money and/or the control that comes with it.

Often the DEA and other enforcement agencies mistakenly identify civilians doing the drugs as offenders, I believe this not to be true, given the absolute poverty a lot of them live in.

In fact if one looks closely we start to see an alarming precident. The ones that are able to make money or obtain control with the money are in fact very wealthy well to do people with money, and thus are able to control criminal gangs easily. Also such people most likely represent the actual source of the drugs or the authoritarian body of that government/state allowing it to be possible, since drugs make lots of money.

So, based on the premise that drugs make so much money why are so many gangs in Americas, el salvador, russia, poland, uk living in such poverty? I've discovered that drugs are in fact not the problem. Money seems to be, or power.

I would even go so far to say that if drugs were free gang control would be non existant and thus the wealthy people capable of importing it and making the most money would have nobody to ship their goods for them.

With those 2 premise, you can actually take it one step further... if money didnt exist there would be no reason for either faction to exist.

One step further than that? If drugs were free (i.e. unsurpressed) and money didnt exist, crime wouldn't exist at all...
(why? what would there be to gain.. or reason to kill other than self gain, but what self gain is the question?)

Someone at government isn't looking at their sociopolitical problems this way, mainly because the focus would currently have to be money anti drugs, which actually seems quite counter productive.

It's a proven and well known fact that the more you supress something the further underground it goes, and the higher its value becomes, the more profitable it is to be in...and the harder it is to track and trace by police and federal officials.

It's also a well known fact that drugs and money only become socially problematic (in the creation of paramilitaries/gangs) in the abscence of money and drugs.

Good examples are remote perserved villages in Indonesia where money has not been introduced, and thus no control or helplessness to be created or felt by its inhabitants..

A great example of the destruction of such areas and even people/tribes can be attributed to the modern banking system itself, and the concept of posession and an economy of wealth instead a wealth of valuable people.

So, without getting too carried away at reinforcing the points there.

Money is the motivator for crime and criminal drug dealing. The feds really should back the fuck off from me when moaning about me using a drug that has just as many dangers and medical values than any synthetic drug created, most especially when its not intellectually difficult to attribute the problem that had to be solved by the "war on drugs" should actually be a war on the government and the people who created money - since thats the only effective and truly reasonable way to remove the drug industry.

Before you dismiss that paragraph, think about this carefully without the US $ currency value and without an exchange rate and the 'trust' to accept currency at an exchange rate, how does one make anything useful from a plant that can obtain anything else useful? Money does all that, it allows the drug industry to operate efficiently even if sometimes traceable. Without the $ value the drugs are worth nothing!!! Instead we'd be back at the ye olde trade merchanting system, and nothings in 'bulk' or scientifically managed anymore. Well, no solution is perfect, removing money certainly isnt a solution... still I want a fucking word with the people who implemented it worldwide.. it's actually created more problems than anything else I can think of known to man before money, which'd be power/control, the usual.

Money must just be the latest fashion for consolidating it and extremely effectively giving closeto limitless power to the wealthy, as a result the gangs who are simply lowlevel dealers don't make wealth, don't have control, it's more about survival. Governments, Politicans, authoritarian figures of influence around the world are in fact the ones that must be benefiting hugely from the drug trade, so much more than gangs (even ones with some cash) something seems obscenely wrong.

denialisback Reviewed by denialisback on 03-01-2009. The root of problematic drugs I've been thinking carefully and long about marijuana and drugs as a whole for about 10 years, no not doing them, apart from mmj but I've come to some pretty bizarre and damning conclusions. I have noticed how a lot of gangs, criminals and/or underground networks distribute drugs for the sole purpose of money and/or the control that comes with it. Often the DEA and other enforcement agencies mistakenly identify civilians doing the drugs as offenders, I believe this not to be true, given Rating: 5

**ArgoSG** · 03-07-2009, 07:37 AM

Know what also works for stopping the criminal gangs from selling a criminalized substance? Decriminalizing it. See: Alcohol.

The problem is not very complicated. There is no way to even have an -argument- about legalizing cannabis in our society. Ask yourselves why this is the case?

**denialisback** · 03-07-2009, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoSG

Know what also works for stopping the criminal gangs from selling a criminalized substance? Decriminalizing it. See: Alcohol.

The problem is not very complicated. There is no way to even have an -argument- about legalizing cannabis in our society. Ask yourselves why this is the case?

mmm... legalisation would work well, but I think the point is hideous amounts of money cant be made legally sub-legally or illegally by gangs... I think alot of the damage is from the destabilising effect when drugs are turned into money (in countries, streets, counties etc)..

Would be good if people made some more smart thoughts about this, it's not just as simple as alcohol vs weed. More that money is the cause of the drug industry being as strong as it is

Peace,
denial

**Doobee** · 03-07-2009, 07:20 PM

Currency allows for the exchange of goods and services.

Before money, civilization had trade/barter and beads, trinkets, goats and scripts.
Money is the way in which to have what you want and to get rid of what you don't.
Sure beats hauling a truck load of stuff when you only have a compact to drive.
More and more we are moving away from cash money and going to debit cards and electronic banking.
This is happening because the loss in bad checks, theft, crime and such costs us all 100s of millions and millions.

Back in the 1980s I wrote an article for the Albuquerque Journal about having ATM machines in 7-11s, gas stations and most all stores and retail venues.
The editor did not publish my article saying he wanted to save me embarrassment.
The editor insisted no ATMs because who's are they and who gets the fees and all?
So much for an editor's biased lame liberal opinion.

Soon we will not have cash currency and will rely solely on electronic banking for all our trade needs.
Gone will be bad checks and lost/stolen IDs.

The "gangs" will have the need to come up with store fronts perse to take in the money and this will keep them from stashing millions in cash that cannot be banked or spent in the numbers over $10K which is the Federal amount to be reported, etc.
No doubt crime orgs will devise a way in which to bank the drug monies by other means.

Money is not the ''cause''

The love, power, desire and status of money and what money can buy and own, is.

So long as there is human nature to sin in all human beings there will be those who know no limits in what they do to others.

IF cannabis was legalized, then the Mexican drug cartels would lose nearly 70% of their income.
A good start.
But..as the cannabis is being seized at the borders, the wet backs are moving into the National Forest in California and growing to then sell far more easily than smuggling pressed bricks of crap across the boarder.

Originally Posted by denialisback

mmm... legalisation would work well, but I think the point is hideous amounts of money cant be made legally sub-legally or illegally by gangs... I think alot of the damage is from the destabilising effect when drugs are turned into money (in countries, streets, counties etc)..

Would be good if people made some more smart thoughts about this, it's not just as simple as alcohol vs weed. More that money is the cause of the drug industry being as strong as it is

Peace,
denial

**denialisback** · 03-07-2009, 09:01 PM