DOT P test

[Burnt Toast]

Hello, I'm back to work now and still curious about the new drug testing policy. I spoke with someone that had to submit a urine sample>it is a DOT compliance drug test< and he said that they put dye in the sample after he passed it to them. Does anyone know what the dye is for?

Sounds like that "someone" is pulling your leg. With this being a DOT test, the collector is not supposed to put dye or anything in the urine sample. Doing so will compromise the integrity of the test and results. The collector is only permitted to split the sample 30/15, initial, bag, and send off the samples to the lab for analysis. With DOT testing, the collection facility must adhere to the regulations for preparing the specimens. Here are the actual regulations for preparing/sending off the specimens:

Subpart E - Urine Specimen Collections

§ 40.71 How does the collector prepare the specimens?

(a) All collections under DOT agency drug testing regulations must be split specimen collections.
(b) As the collector, you must take the following steps, in order, after the employee brings the urine specimen to you. You must take these steps in the presence of the employee.
(1) Check the box on the CCF (Step 2) indicating that this was a split specimen collection.
(2) You, not the employee, must first pour at least 30 mL of urine from the collection container into one specimen bottle, to be used for the primary specimen.
(3) You, not the employee, must then pour at least 15 mL of urine from the collection container into the second specimen bottle to be used for the split specimen.
(4) You, not the employee, must place and secure (i.e., tighten or snap) the lids/caps on the bottles.
(5) You, not the employee, must seal the bottles by placing the tamper-evident bottle seals over the bottle caps/lids and down the sides of the bottles.
(6) You, not the employee, must then write the date on the tamper-evident bottle seals.
(7) You must then ensure that the employee initials the tamper-evident bottle seals for the purpose of certifying that the bottles contain the specimens he or she provided. If the employee fails or refuses to do
so, you must note this in the â??Remarksâ?� line of the CCF (Step 2) and complete the collection process.
(8) You must discard any urine left over in the collection container after both specimen bottles have been appropriately filled and sealed. There is one exception to this requirement: you may use excess urine to conduct clinical tests (e.g., protein, glucose) if the collection was conducted in conjunction with a physical examination required by a DOT agency regulation. Neither you nor anyone else may conduct further testing (such as adulteration testing) on this excess urine and the employee has no legal right to
demand that the excess urine be turned over to the employee.

And...

Subpart E - Urine Specimen Collections
§ 40.73 How is the collection process completed?

(a) As the collector, you must do the following things to complete the collection process. You must complete the steps called for in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(7) of this section in the employee's presence.
(1) Direct the employee to read and sign the certification statement on Copy 2 (Step 5) of the CCF and provide date of birth, printed name, and day and evening contact telephone numbers. If the employee refuses to sign the CCF or to provide date of birth, printed name, or telephone numbers, you must note this in the â??Remarksâ?� line (Step 2) of the CCF, and complete the collection. If the employee refuses to fill out any information, you must, as a minimum, print the employee's name in the appropriate place.
(2) Complete the chain of custody on the CCF (Step 4) by printing your name (note: you may preprint your name), recording the time and date of the collection, signing the statement, and entering the name of the delivery service transferring the specimen to the laboratory,
(3) Ensure that all copies of the CCF are legible and complete.
(4) Remove Copy 5 of the CCF and give it to the employee.
(5) Place the specimen bottles and Copy 1 of the CCF in the appropriate pouches of the plastic bag.
(6) Secure both pouches of the plastic bag.
(7) Advise the employee that he or she may leave the collection site.
(8) To prepare the sealed plastic bag containing the specimens and CCF for shipment you must:
(i) Place the sealed plastic bag in a shipping container (e.g., standard courier box) designed to minimize the possibility of damage during shipment. (More than one sealed plastic bag can be placed into a single shipping container if you are doing multiple collections.)
(ii) Seal the container as appropriate.
(iii) If a laboratory courier hand-delivers the specimens from the collection site to the laboratory, prepare the sealed plastic bag for shipment as directed by the courier service.
(9) Send Copy 2 of the CCF to the MRO and Copy 4 to the DER. You must fax or otherwise transmit these copies to the MRO and DER within 24 hours or during the next business day. Keep Copy 3 for at least 30 days, unless otherwise specified by applicable DOT agency regulations.
(b) As a collector or collection site, you must ensure that each specimen you collect is shipped to a laboratory as quickly as possible, but in any case within 24 hours or during the next business day.
[65 FR 79526, Dec.19, 2000, as amended at 71 FR 49384, Aug.23,2006]

And again, these regulations are the most current.

[toolenit]

thanks toast.

[paperparks]

I just wanted to add for anyone who may still be curious. You DO NOT get drug tested during a DOT Physical. Unless your company orders a UA while you are getting your physical you have nothing to worry about. I asked the nurse why I had to pee, and she said it was to check for glucose, and in fact specifically said "It isn't a drug test!"

Also, if you go into your check up with sub piss in your crotch, i am sure it would make for an awkward explanation when you drop your pants for your hernia check.

I would also like to add if you can sub, thats the way to go IMHO. I do it all the time!