Someone explain how putting our country $800 billion in the hole will help us.

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No Im saying its unconstitutional for the government to let a person who needs medical help or they will die be denied because of money. What is the government protecting if they are not protecting our health and well being?

It isn't the government who will be supplying it, it's the tax payers. In my opinion forcing tax paying citizens to cover healthcare for non-tax payers, illegal immigrants(non-tax paying non-citizens), and those insured with crappy HMO's like myself. It isn't Constitutional to force citizens to pay for another citizens healthcare. It is the individuals right to decide where he or she wants to donate their money and to whom, not the governments.

wanna hear you tell that to all the folks waiting for that surgery or medication that their health insurance won't cover. The goal of an insurance agency is to take as much money as they can from their clients while giving them as little as possible when they might need it back. That is how they make money. That is capitalism.

I'm not going to say our health care system doesn't need some reforming, however, universal healthcare is absolutely not the answer to our problems.

As it stands today, we currently don't have enough Americans in the medical profession. I have to drive an hour if I want to see a doctor because the doctors around me who accept my insurance aren't taking on any new patients. Imagine how bad it will be when the influx of new patients begins, thee doctors are forced to take them, and their pay goes down because the government is paying their bill. Do you really think all these doctors are going to continue in their current profession out of a love for helping people. The will be doing more work, their pay will most likely decrease, and their overall quality of care will decrease for all patients.

You have already said our problems with healthcare are bad, do you really think this solution will make it better? It may make it slightly better for you, but your in the minority. The majority will suffer due to this change, yet the majority will be paying the bill for their degraded healthcare...

That isn't fair to those people.

Don't even get me started on all the bullshit meds they try to stuff down the throats of cancer patients. That is disgusting, taking advantage of a person in their most desperate state to sell them your astronomically priced miracle pills which do nothing but burn a hole in the patients wallet. All they really need is a puff of the herb.

I won't argue with you on that front, however I will propose a much better solution to all these problems at the end of this post.

Yes that is what i was talking about. Maybe not necessarily what you don't need, but come on, the government dishes out dangerous man made medications like it is candy and then they demonize natural medications like marijuana and mushrooms. Something isn't right there, and it all has to do with the fact that there is no money in selling plants and fungus that anyone can grow. At least no money for the pharmaceutical companies that need to manufacture their drugs.

I agree with you here as well, but like above, I will address it at the end.

If you want to know my opinion, I think we are all fucked. I think we have been fucked since the industrial revolution when consumerism and human populations sky rocketed. There is no need for a currency system in society, you might as well just call money survival tickets.

I don't think we're completely fucked assuming we revolt soon. I disagree though, the industrial revolution was positive by todays standards, it could be argued it was bad for the people living at the time. I'm not exactly sure I understand your logic here. I feel consumerism is a positive thing. The Industrial Revolution paved the way for our current technology boom, granted everything coming from it is not good, but nothing in life is 100% positive.

I would say our current problems here in America began with The Civil War, were exacerbated by the New Deal, as well as forced segregation in the South. I don't disagree the institution of slavery is fundamentally evil, however, killing your countrymen and infringing on their constitutional rights as a sovereign nation is not the answer. Industry would have eliminated slavery anyway, the South would have began eliminating the institution on their own, it would have taken a little longer, but the overall outcome would most likely have been more positive.

You may disagree, but the Civil War was the catalyst for many of today's problems. It set into motion the powerful Federal system we have today.

In today's world there is an absolute need for currency, I will agree however that the need originated because of industry. If we continued to live in rural areas and were mostly farmers and craftsmen than bartering would be enough. But in today's day and age currency is needed although I firmly believe ours SHOULD BE BACKED BY SOMETHING! The elimination of the gold standard was fucking idiotic.

You might think that is crazy, but that is just because life with a currency system is all we know. The way of life we know with money is so ingrained into us that many people cant see any other possible way of how to run things. Money hinders our freedom, it enslaves us. Unfortunately I don't think society will be open for any change like that until there is a drastic decrease in the human population, whether it be by war, disease, famine or natural disaster. I just think there are too many people in the world, we are over populated and we are running into problems that go along with having such huge populations trying to be run by huge governments with a single ideology.

A decrease in population is not a positive thing. We learned that from the dark ages after the fall of the Roman Empire. Over 50% of the European population was eliminated because of the plague and as a result the economy crumpled, poverty was rampant , and we lost technologies like indoor plumbing, architecture, engineering, roads, military advancements (which wasn't a good thing because there were still soilders they were just really bored... Bored killers is not a good thing), trade, art, and currency was eliminated.

If you grow corn on your commune great, but if you run out of water, a neighboring commune may not want your corn. Than what are you left with: corn and dehydration. However, they will likely be willing to trade you water for some currency.


Now to my main point:

I have already said it is unfair for those who are covered to pay for healthcare for those who aren't. I agree with you that weed and shrooms have medical benefits and that a lot of pharmaceutical drugs cause more harm than good.

The solution?

States Rights.

Eliminate the Federal Government. I have been saying this for a while now, but the Federalists should have never gotten their way at the start of this nation. We began as sovereign and independent nations. We created the Federal Government for protection and order, which I feel, they clearly are incapable of doing.

We can have a Union between states without the federal government.

Also, you can't implement policies that are good for the entire nation. If California wants illegal immigration, a welfare state, and legal pot, they should be allowed.

If Louisiana want to ban weed, arrest illegals, and eliminate all social programs they should have the right as well. If you are unhappy with one Republics policies you have 49 others to choose from.

The Federal Government only fucks people over, they need to be destroyed.

It is far easier to bring change about on the state level than petitioning these fuckers in Washington act on the benefit of the people. We are a "melting pot," so general policies for the whole nation will never work.

This is to long and I have to work, I don't have time to edit. I just hope its understandable.