Someone explain how putting our country $800 billion in the hole will help us.

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Everyone has an equal right to go to school or get a minimum wage job that offers health coverage. What your talking about is like saying its unconstitutional to die.

No Im saying its unconstitutional for the government to let a person who needs medical help or they will die be denied because of money. What is the government protecting if they are not protecting our health and well being?

The wealthy would not be the only ones able to afford the new cure. That is why we pay for insurance. The majority of Americans would be able to get treatment and in a timely manner. Working 40 hours a week at Wal-mart is hardly wealthy, yet those employee's have have the option of being insured.

I wanna hear you tell that to all the folks waiting for that surgery or medication that their health insurance won't cover. The goal of an insurance agency is to take as much money as they can from their clients while giving them as little as possible when they might need it back. That is how they make money. That is capitalism.

Where does personal responsibility come in? People have problems with all kinds of addictions: porn, illegal drugs, beer, pharmaceutical drugs, cigarettes. The dangers of medications are readily available. It is common knowledge that pain killers are highly addictive. So were exactly does personal responsibility enter in to your equation?

I think personal responsibility is the most important thing of all. It is hard to make informed personal choices however when your therapist tells you that you need to take a 50mg dose of Prozac everyday to be happy. At the same time your school nurse is telling your mom that your little brother has ADD and needs a large dose of Amphetamines everyday to preform normally. Meanwhile your dad is still popping those incredibly addictive opium pills known as Oxycontin he got prescribed for his back pain years ago.

Don't even get me started on all the bullshit meds they try to stuff down the throats of cancer patients. That is disgusting, taking advantage of a person in their most desperate state to sell them your astronomically priced miracle pills which do nothing but burn a hole in the patients wallet. All they really need is a puff of the herb.

Yes, if a doctor gives you a prescription for pills you don't need, I suppose it would be "legal," but how many people do you know with these addictions who go to their pharmacy to get their fix.

Yes that is what i was talking about. Maybe not necessarily what you don't need, but come on, the government dishes out dangerous man made medications like it is candy and then they demonize natural medications like marijuana and mushrooms. Something isn't right there, and it all has to do with the fact that there is no money in selling plants and fungus that anyone can grow. At least no money for the pharmaceutical companies that need to manufacture their drugs.

If people want health coverage they can get a fucking job. The system is never going to be perfect, people need to stop being so idealistic. Yes, our current system could certainly use some improvements, but universal healthcare sure as hell is not the answer.

I really don't know enough about the implications of universal healthcare to be able to defend or attack it. I agree with you however that there is little room for idealism in the real world and people need to be responsible and not rely on the government to fix all their problems. I see something wrong though when people who need treatment to survive are denied because they can't afford it. That's bullshit.

If you want to know my opinion, I think we are all fucked. I think we have been fucked since the industrial revolution when consumerism and human populations sky rocketed. There is no need for a currency system in society, you might as well just call money survival tickets.

You might think that is crazy, but that is just because life with a currency system is all we know. The way of life we know with money is so ingrained into us that many people cant see any other possible way of how to run things. Money hinders our freedom, it enslaves us. Unfortunately I don't think society will be open for any change like that until there is a drastic decrease in the human population, whether it be by war, disease, famine or natural disaster. I just think there are too many people in the world, we are over populated and we are running into problems that go along with having such huge populations trying to be run by huge governments with a single ideology.