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[overgrowthegovt]

The Al-Qa'aeda aren't nearly as dangerous as the U.S. government...who has bigger bombs, more money, slicker rhetoric, and who's killed more people? I await the volley of shouts about how the Al-Qa'aeda are monsters who blow up innocents...just how guilty do you think your average two-year-old blown to bits by the U.S. Marines is?

I see it as two rival factions, nothing more. Both are brutal and commit unspeakable acts, and both have some legitimate grievances as well as a lot of bullshit they need to let go.

[Breukelen advocaat]

The Al-Qa'aeda aren't nearly as dangerous as the U.S. government...who has bigger bombs, more money, slicker rhetoric, and who's killed more people? I await the volley of shouts about how the Al-Qa'aeda are monsters who blow up innocents...just how guilty do you think your average two-year-old blown to bits by the U.S. Marines is?

I see it as two rival factions, nothing more. Both are brutal and commit unspeakable acts, and both have some legitimate grievances as well as a lot of bullshit they need to let go.

Typical relativism is not applicable in the case of Islamofascism, for many reasons.

For instance, if a child is killed by U.S. military, it's usually an accident and those responsible consider it a tragedy. If it is suspected to be a deliberate act, the suspects will be court marshalled and tried. The Islamic terrorists not only kill anybody they want, they actually recruit and use children to perform jihad - which is about the most cowardly act an adult can commit for a cause.

Kidnapping innocent people, and beheading them, is another favorite of their's.

The belief system of Islam is insane, and as dangerous, sick and degenerate Christianity is, it's not nearly as deadly and backwards in this day and age as Islam.

[CanGro]

The belief system of Islam is insane, and as dangerous, sick and degenerate Christianity is, it's not nearly as deadly and backwards in this day and age as Islam.

Relgion is the route of all evil, storys made up by man to control man.

Wait most war has the same path as above..............

[psychocat]

Typical relativism is not applicable in the case of Islamofascism, for many reasons.

For instance, if a child is killed by U.S. military, it's usually an accident and those responsible consider it a tragedy. If it is suspected to be a deliberate act, the suspects will be court marshalled and tried. The Islamic terrorists not only kill anybody they want, they actually recruit and use children to perform jihad - which is about the most cowardly act an adult can commit for a cause.

Kidnapping innocent people, and beheading them, is another favorite of their's.

The belief system of Islam is insane, and as dangerous, sick and degenerate Christianity is, it's not nearly as deadly and backwards in this day and age as Islam.

If the truth be told then they are more likely to be considered as collateral damage and acceptable losses..

[psychocat]

Relgion is the route of all evil, storys made up by man to control man.

Wait most war has the same path as above..............

I'm more inclined to go with greed , religion is simply a tool used by those who seek power , just like politics.

[overgrowthegovt]

Typical relativism is not applicable in the case of Islamofascism, for many reasons.

For instance, if a child is killed by U.S. military, it's usually an accident and those responsible consider it a tragedy. If it is suspected to be a deliberate act, the suspects will be court marshalled and tried. The Islamic terrorists not only kill anybody they want, they actually recruit and use children to perform jihad - which is about the most cowardly act an adult can commit for a cause.

Kidnapping innocent people, and beheading them, is another favorite of their's.

The belief system of Islam is insane, and as dangerous, sick and degenerate Christianity is, it's not nearly as deadly and backwards in this day and age as Islam.

Psychocat has a point...you're right about how it's probably usually an accident, and it may even be viewed as a tragedy, but not ENOUGH of a tragedy. The children seem to just get shrugged off as collateral damage. And regardless of whether or not the killing is intentional, the point is that far too many innocent people die because of the fighting. Just how many of the Muslims who die do you think are bloodthirsty terrorists, and how many do you think are just people wanting to living a quiet life with their family? It's probably a pretty unbalanced ratio.

I agree with you that, with the present arrangement, Islam is the more irrational faith (by a hair). But let's say it was the other way around, that the Muslims kept Christian lands in a vice grip and have for the last 60 or so years? You'd see some Christian terrorist organizations, that's for sure, striking the foreign oppressors in the name of God.

[epxroot]

When a bomb is dropped, or a missile is launched at targets, all deaths are intentional. Bombs and missiles do just what they were created to do..kill. Labeling the killing of children and innocent civilians something other than murder, is just a way to make it seem like an accident, or "collateral damage", is just part of the game. Anyway you look at it, it boils down to murder, and nothing more. Wars do nothing but breed hate and lead to other problems down the road.

I am amazed at how people look at the world today, truly amazed. Somebody always finds some kind of excuse to justify the murder, raping and pillaging of another country, state, home, and person. These are people who have just as much right to live than you or I do, no matter what they believe. That's the gift of being free. Now when your thoughts turn into actions that cause another one loss or hurt, then you should be held accountable for your actions.

This whole preemptive war idea is just mind blowing. I mean I could have the same mentality and just attack anyone in public who I see as a threat to my well being. Does that sound like a good idea? Of course it don't, because it is insane to think that way. If I were deliberately attacked then that is a different story. Even if I was attacked by someone, I sure wouldn't go after his neighbor for it. I would handle it with the same man, or woman who attacked me.

Anyway, back on the subject of the thread. It is true the intermingling by the US in other countries has bred a lot of hate towards the US. The US is not innocent and has it's hands in a lot of dirty laundry. When a country is led by people who live in a life of blackmail, greed, and lies, how do you think that country is going to be ran?

[Breukelen advocaat]

Psychocat has a point...you're right about how it's probably usually an accident, and it may even be viewed as a tragedy, but not ENOUGH of a tragedy. The children seem to just get shrugged off as collateral damage. And regardless of whether or not the killing is intentional, the point is that far too many innocent people die because of the fighting. Just how many of the Muslims who die do you think are bloodthirsty terrorists, and how many do you think are just people wanting to living a quiet life with their family? It's probably a pretty unbalanced ratio.

I agree with you that, with the present arrangement, Islam is the more irrational faith (by a hair). But let's say it was the other way around, that the Muslims kept Christian lands in a vice grip and have for the last 60 or so years? You'd see some Christian terrorist organizations, that's for sure, striking the foreign oppressors in the name of God.

Deliberately attacking from where there are children and non-combatants placed, knowing full well that their enemy will look like murderers when they retaliate, is another common earmark of Islamic warfare. War is hell, but those who wage it in this fashion are beyond despicable.

How much more "irrational" Islam is compared to Christianity isn't the central issue - it's their actions that people notice. What is boils down to is why this little strip of sand in the desert, called Gaza, has to threaten the peace and well-being of the entire world. If it wasn't that, would it be something similar? If a civiliztion does not move forward, it goes backwards - and trys to take everyone else with it.

Despite, or because of, the Iraq war, the extremist rhetoric and terrorist actions seem to be less pronounced lately. Let's hope this is a signal of better days to come, but it's hard to say. There's some intelligent ex-Muslims out there who are speaking up, but not enough at this point.

[psychocat]

You're allowing yourself to be sidelined by tags,Islam, Christian, it's all just bullshit.
There is no reason for the wests attempts to control the politics and policies of other countries, the simple fact is that it is never in the best interests of the country involved.
The west is guilty of some of the dirtiest games ever played and thier attempts to place puppet goverments , the continued double standards, the disregard for anything short of complete dominance and simple greed have created the modern day "terrorist".
It's easy to label them as religious fanatics and show video of a few nutters but the truth goes so much deeper than that.

[CanGro]

You're allowing yourself to be sidelined by tags,Islam, Christian, it's all just bullshit.
There is no reason for the wests attempts to control the politics and policies of other countries, the simple fact is that it is never in the best interests of the country involved.
The west is guilty of some of the dirtiest games ever played and thier attempts to place puppet goverments , the continued double standards, the disregard for anything short of complete dominance and simple greed have created the modern day "terrorist".
It's easy to label them as religious fanatics and show video of a few nutters but the truth goes so much deeper than that.

I totaly agree with you, though most people seem to forget about history and go on whats going on the world now.

War on Iraq is a prime example of pupet goverment - Sadam was put into place to protect the oil fileds, this is the only reason we went to war against him - WMD's where never found.