Anyone else horrified their tax dollars buy death?

[LolaGal]

Nah, I'm immune to tax funded death machines....

After growing up watching the VietNam war on TV every night, this all seems pretty tame to me.....

[Breukelen advocaat]

home in one piece, before it's too late).
As for 9/11, it was of course a horrendous spectacle, but it has been argued by some (notably Ward Churchill, who was basically tarred and feathered after that) as the natural and inevitable response to decades of raping the Middle East.

Here's another quote by Ward Churchill, regarding the victims of the attacks of 9/11: â??Well, really, let's get a grip here shall we? True enough, they were civilians of sort. But innocent? Give me a break.â?�

Tarrded and feathered? There's neighboroods in NYC where he'd get thrown off a roof!

[the image reaper]

a Canadian should know better than most, the value of the United States' military ... after all, you're not speaking Russian, yet ... :jointsmile:

[Mississippi Steve]

Nah, I'm immune to tax funded death machines....

After growing up watching the VietNam war on TV every night, this all seems pretty tame to me.....

I watched it all on the tube also and enlisted in the Coast Guard so I wouldn't have to go to Nam.. When I got my draft notice, I was on USCGC Glacier in th Bearing Sea.

[overgrowthegovt]

Here's another quote by Ward Churchill, regarding the victims of the attacks of 9/11: â??Well, really, let's get a grip here shall we? True enough, they were civilians of sort. But innocent? Give me a break.â?�

Tarrded and feathered? There's neighboroods in NYC where he'd get thrown off a roof!

I've read the essay, and I know the context of the quote you're refering to...he was saying that the trade centre workers were, through their labour, assisting and perpetuating the world's inequalies. Even though their intents weren't malicious, being just your typical thoughtless people doing what pays the bills, they were complicit cogs in the despotic machine. "Little Eichmanns", he called them.

In the post-9/11 hysteria everyone blacklisted Churchill because no one would acknowledge that their nation's foreign policy was responsible for the tragedy.

[Dream of the iris]

Yeah it sucks, whats worse is that the tax the govnt steals from you.
Look up the irs, most people who worked there quit, and reported what they saw on you tube: no law stating we have to pay.

What happend to the good old days of taring and feathering the tax collector, and fighting for are freedom. Why is this country so paccified???

Actually there is a law in the constitution that says the government has a right to collect taxes. It's the 16th amendment which goes something like this: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, WITHOUT apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any CENSUS OR ENUMERATION."

Of course it doesn't say the income tax it does say it can tax the states without a general consensus. So by technicality the income tax is constitutional, however, I'll be the first to say it shouldn't be there in the first place. Anyway, I would imagine some of our taxes going towards the military but realistically only a small percentage of our taxes goes to anything. It mostly goes to paying off the national debt, but because we need money to continue these governmental programs as well as our huge foreign affairs and the fact that we have to pay off the national debt + interest there is no way the collection of 300 million peoples taxes would pay for much. This is why we borrow and create money.

[epxroot]

If Afghanistan's Taliban leaders had handed over bin Laden and his cohorts after 9/11, they probably would not have been invaded in the first place. They (Taliban) were totally uncooperative. Many aspects of this war were handled all wrong by us, but something needed to be done. Instead of attacking Kabul, and other cities, we should have pattern-bombed, or nuked, the mountainous regions where Al-Quada operatives and leaders were holed up.

What a lot of people seem to forget is that the leaders said they would have no problem handing over Laden, as long as the US came up with evidence that Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The US never had any evidence that he was behind it, and they knew it. There is still no mention of Ladens wanted status on the FBI list for 9/11.

[FreshNugz]

Yeah, I love how the solution is "nuke".....honestly people!!!!!!
That's sickening. Oh it's not working, so we should nuke it!

How the hell would you feel if someone sprung a nuclear weapon on you? The inability of people to see this from a perspective other than their own immediate one is disgusting.

[Breukelen advocaat]

What a lot of people seem to forget is that the leaders said they would have no problem handing over Laden, as long as the US came up with evidence that Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The US never had any evidence that he was behind it, and they knew it. There is still no mention of Ladens wanted status on the FBI list for 9/11.

Bin Laden was wanted by the FBI, and other government agencies, for other crimes against the United States before 9/11 even occurred.

If they prefer to maintain bin Laden's innocence and keep their spiritual and political leader safe, then that is the height of stupidity, not to mention arrogance.

The Taliban maimed, tortured and killed countless people in the name of Islam, for years, in Afghanistan, but they can't kill three thousand people in the United States for a religion and expect to get away with it. This movement is insane and most, if not all, of them need to die, as does al Quada.

The ultimate goal of these homocidal maniacs is to cause the destruction of the entire world, so that allah can start over. They don't care about the Gaza strip politics - they'd be trying to reach their goals even if Israel disappeared. They must be stopped before they can use nuclear and biological weapons - which they may already have.

[Dream of the iris]

Man I hate doing this but.....

The Taliban and Al Queda may be working together but their agendas are different from each other. Al Queda wants to take over the World and the Taliban want to take over Afghanistan and let everyone else fuck off. Of course you have various other tribes with their own agendas including many of the Pastun tribes. But It's difficult to name these guys terrorists because they're more or less concerned about their own villages more so than the movement. These terrorist organizations provide them resources and power to defend themselves which is what they want...not an islamic state. Oh and it's also kind of hard to lump Hamas agenda with the Taliban or Al Quedas agendas because really all Hamas wants to do is reclaim Palestine....not destroy the World.

In fact, none of these terrorist organizations want to destroy the World because if they did that then they wouldn't have anyone to rule over. When it really comes down to it, all nations want power and that includes us. The whole international game since the beginning of time has been taking over the World and Al Queda is the last one on the list to be capable of such a thing. My money's on either China, Russia, or the U.S and E.U, not with a bunch of unpopular organizations that has to use force to gain participants.

But don't let this statement fool you. I'm not a sympathizer. I believe these organizations need to be squashed, however, it is important to consider the differences in these organizations if a nation is to defeat it. For one thing the U.S CANNOT continue doing what they are doing. That is irresponsible sloppy Israeli fighting. Powerful yet ineffective.