Michael Phelps, Hypocrisy, & American Drug Policy

[Weedhound]

You know, I just read another post from Lola somewhere on cdot and I thought her answer was bang on. Then, upon further thinking I realized, that I too, am a hypocroite and a liar in that yes, I lie to certain people about my marijuana use and yes, I would lie to a potential employer about my marijuana use. So I'm even LESS than I said Michael Phelps was because I judged hiim harshly for doing the exact same thing I would do. That is some SERIOUS hypocrasy on my part.

THEREFORE.....while I completely understand Rusty's point and believe in the integrity of it, I must expose mysyelf as the true me and reanswer the question the way I feel now.

1. He needs to be MUCH more private about what he does. (And in his future.....this may include drug testing for him which is what you get for getting caught )

but 2. No I certainly DONT expect him to stand up and say "Fuck you all, I smoke pot and am proud of it!" considering it's federally illegal. I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly don't expect him to.

3. Make sure your private life stays private and this include camera phone photos from "friends" especially if your employer has providen it. And in talking about private that means not caught for DUI eitherl.......) keep it PRIVATE..........

So, sorry I find myself doing a complete 180 and just learning something (rather unpleasant) about myself. Bummer. But there it is.

[MPLSweedman]

south carolina is talking about CHARGING HIM! FOR A PICTURE!!!

UNBELIEVABLE!!

[Hempfester]

The best was TMZ's interview with Tommy Chong.

"I think he's done it before . . . He did everything right. He's got good lung capacity. The only thing is, you know, I'd hate to be the guy behind him, next, because then you'd have to re-fill the pipe . . . Can you imagine the lung capacity that guy has got? He could suck down a kilo." :smokebong:

[Rusty Trichome]

THEREFORE.....while I completely understand Rusty's point and believe in the integrity of it, I must expose mysyelf as the true me and reanswer the question the way I feel now.

1. He needs to be MUCH more private about what he does. (And in his future.....this may include drug testing for him which is what you get for getting caught )
but 2. No I certainly DONT expect him to stand up and say "Fuck you all, I smoke pot and am proud of it!" considering it's federally illegal. I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly don't expect him to.
3. Make sure your private life stays private and this include camera phone photos from "friends" especially if your employer has providen it. And in talking about private that means not caught for DUI eitherl.......) keep it PRIVATE..........
So, sorry I find myself doing a complete 180 and just learning something (rather unpleasant) about myself. Bummer. But there it is.

That's kinda harsh on yourself, Weedy...You are not in the same boat as Michael. He was being paid for his image, and he chose to let his guard down, and get caught.
You don't spend your workday going around to jr. high and high schools pimping good study habits, drive and determination, hard work and team ethics. (and Frosted Flakes) He does.

In signing a legal and binding contract he knew the game was to best represent his bosses, and to stay apart from any illegal or image-tarnishing activities.
He wasn't at home, kicking-back, and lighting a few bonghits when he was photographed. He was out in public, at a college party, and subject to all the scrutiny TMZ types can muster. Some athlete's contracts even restrict players from hazardous activities on their off-time. Like sky-diving, riding motorcycles, sleeping with Paris Hilton or debating politics with Rusty Trichome...

He knew his paycheck would be based on his performance. He knew exactly what was expected of him, as it's all laid-out in the contract. Damn near all of the pro sports have a morality clause, to protect the institutions integrity and image. If you can't represent...fuck it. You're fired, sold, traded...

He screwed-up, (broke the law and his contracts) and no ammount of petty justification makes it Kellogs fault that he is now labeled as an out-of-the-closet pothead. If you can't follow the moral guidelines in the contract you signed, don't sign the contract. I mean really...what else was he hired for? His acting skills? His handsomely-chiseled face? His well-proportioned body...? His perfect smile?
No...he's a gawky, goofy looking swimmer that can't act. He was hired for his image, which now, does not represent the morals of at least one company signing his paycheck. (as is their right)

[Weedhound]

Well if he was at a public party and was toking away happily then that's just DUMB! :wtf:

Like you say, Rusty, in the privacy of your own home....or with people you trust.....is the way to go here.......not where you can be photographed or caught doing things you told your employer you wouldn't do.

And somebody tell this guy to vape or something with those lungs. Talk about jealous!!!

[Rusty Trichome]

I'm just glad he understands that personal freedoms are a responsibility, not a blanket "right" that allows one to hide behind the claims of the corporate world trampling the rights of a contracted employee, after that contractee broke the contract. (he has no grounds for a civil case)

All in all he's more mature than I gave him credit for. My god, I think he's becoming a man. :jointsmile:

[DdC222]

tons of boycott kelloggs groups on facebook: jhelion â?¢ 2/6/09

Boycott Kellogg's for Dumping Michael Phelps
764 members

Support Decriminalization/Legalization; Boycott Kellogg's

I've been not buying Kloggog for years because its cardboard. Doing a full list later, but if I was Michael Phelps I'd drop Kellogg for the reputation they have. From over growing cereal they removed the tall grass to plow the fields, then the Dust Bowl resulted. Quackery sticking electrodes on women and daily enemas and abstinence for wellness. Anthony Hopkins did the movie The road to Wellville â?? The Kellogg story. They're worried about their image?

Have some cold cereal
Saturday, February 7, 2009

Are you familiar with Malt-O-Meal cold cereals? They come in bags, usually at the end of the cereal aisle, they're easy to reseal, have less packaging (good for the environment), usually win in nutritional comparisons, and are less expensive than the name brands they mimic (and they mimic them quite well).

So if you like:

* Kellogg's Apple Jacks, try some Apple Zings
* Kellogg's Rice Krispies, try some Crispy Rice
* Kellogg's Frosted Flakes, try some Frosted Flakes
* Kellogg's Raisin Bran, try some Raisin Bran
* Kellogg's Frosted Mini-Wheats, try some Frosted Mini-Spooners
* Kellogg's Froot Loops, try some Tootie Fruities (That's right, Cliff, you don't really have to give up your beloved Froot Loops.)

That is, just in case you have some reason to no longer buy Kellogg's products.

BOYCOTT! Products by Brand



February 6th, 2009
Kellogg drops Phelps after photos
Posted by: Paul Thomasch

The world's largest cereal maker said on Thursday it would not extend a contract with Phelps, who charmed audiences in Beijing last year with a record-breaking, eight-gold medal haul, saying the photo of the swimmer was inconsistent with its public image.

'Masturbation results in general debility,
unnatural pale eyes and forehead acne'
John Harvey Kellogg (1852â??1943)

The road to Wellville â?? The Kellogg story
Phrenology and palmistry, electrotherapy, mechanotherapy, hydrotherapy, and a host of other therapies.

The Dust Bowl was an ecological and human disaster caused by misuse of land and years of sustained drought.
(sponsored by K-E double L Oh double good)

Kellogg realized the huge profit potential of serving the public nutritionally empty food on a mass scale. The birth of the process food industry.

The Kellogg brand in America and the Sanitarium brand in Australia,
are wholly owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which affords them tax benefits as the companies direct their profits back into the church.

Would Michael Phelps's compromising picture mean less sponsorships?



Kellogg's's Friends
No surprise to find that a big user of aspertame is a Bonesman business. They don't mind dying for profits.

Bayer CropScience
Following worldwide bans and recalls for toxic LL601 rice, concerns have been especially high among US rice growers, who sell big portions of their harvests to Kellogg.

Connection between Kellogg's and Salmonella
January 17, 2009 - WASHINGTON â?? First it was bulk peanut butter shipped to nursing homes and institutional cafeterias. Now the salmonella case has touched the Kellogg Co., which has recalled 16 products as federal officials confirm contamination at a Georgia facility that sent peanut products to 85 food companies.

ALERT: OCA LAUNCHES KELLOGG'S BOYCOTT GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SUGAR TO HIT SUPERMARKET SHELVES THIS YEAR



Revised Optional Test Bank for United States History
Goal 9: Prosperity and Depression (1919-1939) 9.03 33

Q.What was the result of the â??noble experimentâ?� of prohibition?

A. It encouraged organized crime and gang warfare.

Phelps has other deals worth millions of dollars with brands including Speedo swimwear, Omega watches, Visa Inc, Subway sandwiches and Hilton Hotels. Phelps's agency, Octagon, said earlier this week that it had been in touch with his sponsors and that none had indicated any intention of backing out of their deals.



The road to Wellville â?? The Kellogg story
By Dennis B Worthen, PhD,
Lloyd Library and Museum Cincinnati, Ohio, USA

Suggestions on the mode of preserving health and attaining old age:
Perfect nutrition is essential. The process of digestion must be completely and perfectly accomplished. Great attention must be paid to the habitual condition of the organs of excretion â?? particularly the bowels and the skin.

Kellogg, also, managed to achieved notoriety for his views on sex, autointoxication which he believe was the source of most illness, his use of a daily enema regimine at the Sans, and for his interests in eugenics.

The Kellogg brand in America and the Sanitarium brand in Australia,
are wholly owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which affords them tax benefits as the companies direct their profits back into the church.



Healthful habits and remedies from a century ago

In the late 1800s, there was great interest in the general subjects of health and wellness, which were then known as â??hygiene.â?? Health fads of the time included phrenology and palmistry. Practitioners of those pseudo-sciences claimed that they could understand a patientâ??s disease and personality by studying the shape of his or her head or the length of the heart line. It was the period during which cures and restorative powers were attributed to electrotherapy, mechanotherapy, hydrotherapy, and a host of other therapies. Food was seen as both the cause and the cure for the ills of the day

Re: Cold Breakfast Cereal
Will Kellogg and Post, and probably was responsible for the birth of the process food industry. Capitalists were starting to realize the huge profit potential of serving the public nutritionally empty food on a mass scale.

Watch: Old Commercial for Wheaties Cereal



Small Farms, Externalities, and the Dust Bowl of the 1930s
Small farmers cultivated more of their land and were less likely to invest in erosion control than were larger farmers. Soil Conservation Districts, established by government after 1937, helped coordinate erosion control.

The Dust Bowl was an ecological and human disaster caused by misuse of land and years of sustained drought.

The Great Plains Dust Bowl

Surviving the Dust Bowl

Scientists Discover Why 1930s Dust Bowl Was So Bad
FOXNEWS.COM: "What is new and what had not been done before is to work out whether the dust storms from the drought and land use had any impact on the drought," said Richard Seager of Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory (LDEO) at Columbia University in New York. And they did.


Farmer Arthur Coble and his sons run from a dust storm in Cimmaron County, Okla., in a famous photo from April 1936.

[Rusty Trichome]

Actually, I appreciate the product list...there's two or three of 'em I've added to my shopping list. Shit, I might buy a few extras to cover a few of y'all's bullshit boycott. (I love cereals) I'll double-check the expiration dates, and see how many I can afford. :thumbsup:

Corporate america is not the problem. Ones lack of personal responsibility, and current federal law is the problem...yet I hear no mention of y'alls plan to boycot Obama, the feds, state offices, or your idiot neighbors for selling cannabis to kids...

This has been my problem with NORML for many years now...they talk a big talk, misrepresent what it is we need to fight for, and have wasted thirty or fourty-something years (and shitloads of stoners' donations) attacking corporate america, when it's the fucking laws that need to change.

A few years ago, when I lived in Vegas, the idiots associated with our local NORMAL office went to turn-in the decriminalization petition (signed with thousands of signatures, qualifying it to be listed on state ballots) Judge turned them away. (they had miscounted the signatures, and were short by a few hundred) Later, after the signatures were acquired, they "forgot" to get the petition back to court on time, to be on the ballot. It had to wait till the next year, with fresh petitions, another canvassing crew, new signatures, additional filing fees... Par for the NORML course.

Never once have I seen them (NORMAL) try to organize responsible adults or even med patients...to help cary the torch of acceptability in our national culture...it's always someone like the Cheech and Chong representation of cannabis users that are dragged-out and propped on a pedestal to carry the message, and usually it's on a sit-com, at that.

Phelps has admitted he was caught red-handed, said he was wrong for breaking his contract, and has been appologetic to family, friends, his employer, and his fans, for breaking their trust. Yet NORML, in it's usual approach, blames Kellogs. Yeah...this tactic has worked very well for the past few decades, hasn't it. Attack a company for following legal and insurance guidelines, for the safety and health of all of it's employees. That argument has never worked in the past, and doubtful it will in the future...but hey...we'll keep beating that dead horse, you keep sending your donations.

Altho I felt it "cool" to support NORMAL 20 or 30 years ago, they've been ineffective, and in my honest opinion...a waste of cannabis resources.

I respect Phelps more for his humility and maturity with how he has handled this, than I do with NORML trying to exploit him and his situation.

His attitude, in my eyes, does more good for cannabis' image, than anything NORML has come up with the past 30 years. WHAT...? A cannabis user with morals and a sense of what personal responsibility is? Is this even possible?

MMMMM...Frosted Flakes...


re: the dust bowl...
All that other bullshit has nothing to do with cannabis, and is therefore irrelevant. But, parroting someone elses garbage will get us nowhere, now will it? Where was this attitude, a month before the Phelps story broke, or has this been gathered as a result of the Phelps story, and throwing everything against the wall works for y'all, huh? <sigh> This folks, is what NORML does with your cash.

[DdC222]

Will Kellogg and Post, and probably was responsible for the birth of the process food industry. Capitalists were starting to realize the huge profit potential of serving the public nutritionally empty food on a mass scale.

Eat your heart out, literally. Can't wait. Hurry!

[DdC222]

I'm Boycotting cause they're such perverts.

Ever since I learned of the truly weird and sickening ideas of the original Kellogg (carbolic acid on a woman's clitoris? In what way does that differ from female circumcision performed in some Muslim countries? My Gawd!) , I ceased purchasing any Kellogg products. That was years ago. I just buy the generic store-brand stuff now, and have found I don't miss anything Kellogg makes.
kaptinemo â?¢ 2/8/09