imo 120,000lumen.[/QUOTE] 120,000 target lumens???? That is near source numbers for a 1k hid. Unless I missed something, you cant even put a plant close enough to an HID to get 120k to a canopy. Thats a few inches away at best. Of course I prefer to wait till mine finishes b4 I smoke it rather than let the bulb smoke it for me. lol My 400hps @20-24in away gave me node spacing at less than 3/4 inch and displayed some heat stress any closer.