thank you for the responses, so basically i think what you are saying rusty is that i am using a soilless medium and what you are saying sensi is that even if i am growing in soilless i should still keep the ph around 6.5 regardless? I will start using ph 6.5 water to see if it makes a difference. Also like you said rusty that big pieces and bark are probably not good, well that mix has alot of big chunks of bark so that may be another reason. I haven't always grown with ph 6.0 water i used to grow with ph 6.7~ and i have had this same problem but i keep reading soilless is a mix with no nutritional value and peat based like what i am using and I keep finding that the ph is supposed to be around 6.0, i thought this would fix my problem but obviously not. my runoff currently comes out around 6.1.

Anyways i figured out how to fix this kind of, the same way i grew my very first plant, when i first started, i didnt read as much as i should have and i used some soil with almost no drainage and slow release ferts for my seedlings. they were doing very poorly but i just pulled them out of that soil and put them in the seedling mix and they grew great for some reason. I just transplanted one of my seedlings out of the seedling mix and into the horrible soil and the new leaves have started to get going. Once they are near death i plan to take them out and put them back in the seedling mix and hopefully they will start growing normally. Im sure most of you guys will think this is stupid but it worked before hopefully it will work again.

P.S, cool chart on the link, will use as a reference if i forget.
and Rusty dont worry about taking a while to answer you cant be everywhere at one time.