the plants were rootbound!!! first off they are in a 3 gal pots that had 1-2 inches of perilite on the bottom and then the soil was filled about 1 inch from the top of the pots, so the soil space was probably only 6 inches deep. the roots were all sitting at the bottom of the pot soaking in water and perilte. so im guessing that was probably the problem.... Ill know in a couple of days. the roots were a liittle yellow. I think i might have gotten a little case of root rot too.

thanks man,
ill keep you posted