Quote Originally Posted by yokinazu
but my bleedin heart liberal self says that no matter what we do we have to help the people first and for most.( by the way i said help not welfare state)

I understand what you are saying.
Let me re-tell a story I heard once, about a bird and cow.

You see, there was a flock of birds that lived on the prairie. Winter was coming and they were torn, torn between staying to eat, and leaving soon enough to avoid snow and ice.
They all decided to take off one day, all but one.
The one stayed behind, very happy that there was no more competition for food, he just ate to his hearts content. As the days went by it got colder. Then one day while eating some seeds, everything went black instantly. A cow had walked by and dropped a steamy hot pile onto the bird, completely burying him!
The bird was in some distress, panicking, and not able to get itself out of the pile. No one could hear his screams!!!
Just by chance the first snow had fallen, and while the bird did not make it south for the winter, he was ironically protected by the poo, and it kept him warm.
Soon, the bird noticed that something had found the pile'o'poo, and was saving him!
He was thrilled! He promised himself that he would join his brothers and sisters due south the moment he was free.
Just then, daylight pierced the poo walls, and the bird noticed that it was in fact a cat that had dug him out.

You can imagine what happened next, needless to say the bird never made it out of the pasture.
Moral of the story, sometimes when someone shits on you, they are doing you a favor, and sometimes when someone is getting you out of shit, they are just planning on eating you.:jointsmile: