BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots

[weedee]

Hi Guys;

I just signed up and this is my very first post. Without going into great detail of why I didn't start posting this inforation on this forum sooner, let's enjoy the show from now on.... Now, I grew a couple of times many years ago and as it turns out, I am starting to make all the newbie skrew ups all over again. In other words - I could really, really used some assistance.

The project started a few weeks ago with a good friend haven given me 4 White Rhino and 8 Trainwreck seeds from GHS. :rastasmoke: This grow is being done on soil, more specifically the Canna Terra Professional Plus, which has like 50% Cocos in it. Nutes- wise I am relying on the complete Canna Bio Line, including Bio Rhizotonic, Bio Vega, Bio Flores & Bio Booster. I also have a bottle of Biobizz Alg-A-Mic and the usual PH- stuff here. :hippy:

Equipment I have available for this grow:

- Grow- Tent with approx. 10 square feet
- 600W HPS Osram Plantastar on Digital Ballast and Adjust-A-Wing Reflector (+Light Spreader)
- Dehumidifier, working outside of the box, keeping humidity at 60%
- 360cbm extractor fan and carbon filter (I'll post the conversion to cfm later.... )
- PH Meter

History - Plant- Development:

10/27/08 - 10/29/08 - Plants broke through the soil...

11/17/08 - Plants were re- potted into final 3 USG pots:
-> I used 1/2 strength nute solution to wet the soil when the plants were re-potted and was seeing rather strong signs of over- fertilization. Problems included weird spots on leaves, lower leaves turning strong yellow and dying off.

11/22/08 - The tallest two plants (Both Trainwrecks) were topped to try and equalize the height a little.

11/24/08 - Plants were watered with about 1/4 USG each. Water contained no nutes, but Rhizotonic at full strength. PH was adjusted to 6.5.

11/29/08 - Plants were watered with about 1/2 USG each. Water contained no nutes, but Rhizotonic at full strength. PH was adjusted to 6.5.

12/05/08 - Plants were watered with about 1/2 USG each. Water contained no nutes, but Rhizotonic at full strength. PH was adjusted to 6.5.

12/07/08 - I think I can start to see the first pre- flowers. I will look into this more in depth tomorrow, take and post some macro shots.

Problems and worries: :wtf:

- Ever since the plants were transplanted I have droopy leaves 4-5 hours before the light goes off. This mainly (only) effects the top 2-3 sets of leaves. The conditions seems to have improved since I started watering with more water.

- Another problem that I observed is really having me totally confused. I can flood a pot and water it with a whole gallon and have a 1/4 runoff or so. However, when I stick my finger in the drainage holes on the side of the pot the soil will still be bone dry. Has anyone ever observed this and/or can you give me a hint of how to fix this? Can this damage the root system and maybe cause the droopy leaves?

- Overall, I am not really satisified with the heigth of my plants. The smalles White Rhino is just a little under 10" - This is 40/42 days after the seed broke through the soil. The average plant is probably around 13" and I would really like to start flowering these, soon.

Overall, I am really not satisfied with the way things are going and I hope that with your help I can greatly improve, turn the situation around and have a nice harvest and stone...

So, this should wrap up all the prelimenary information. As always, pictures speak a thousand words. I've tried to take detailed shots of each plant - Any and all input/help is very much appreciated!



[align=center]Veg- Day 42[/align]



Trainwreck 1 - Plant is 14.6" tall (37cm)
(Plant most prone to droopy upper leaves)


Trainwreck 2 - Plant is 11.4" tall (29cm)


Trainwreck 3 - Plant is ???


Trainwreck 4 - Plant is 11.0" tall (28cm)


Trainwreck 5 - Plant is 13.4" tall (34cm)


Trainwreck 6 - Plant is 13.8 tall (35cm)


Trainwreck 7 - Plant is 11.8" tall (30cm)


Trainwreck 8 - Plant is 10.6" tall (27cm)


White Rhino 1 - Plant is 10.0" tall (25cm)


White Rhino 2 - Plant is 12.2" tall (31cm)
(The burned spots on the new growth was me having skrewed up and having used the wrong spray bottle.....)


White Rhino 3 - Plant is 9.5" tall (24cm)


White Rhino 4 - Plant is 12.6" tall (36cm)
(The burned spots on the new growth was me having skrewed up and having used the wrong spray bottle.....)


As mentioned above - I am pretty much lost with this grow, at this point. I am not sure if the droopy leaves are a problem, or when to start feeding them nutritiens again. Also, shouldn't they be a bit taller? When would you consider flowering them?

So, please let me know what you think. Any and all comments are greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

[align=center]LOL - How in the world do I add pictures/attachements to my post....?????[/align]

weedee Reviewed by weedee on 12-08-2008. BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots Hi Guys; I just signed up and this is my very first post. Without going into great detail of why I didn't start posting this inforation on this forum sooner, let's enjoy the show from now on.... :) Now, I grew a couple of times many years ago and as it turns out, I am starting to make all the newbie skrew ups all over again. In other words - I could really, really used some assistance. The project started a few weeks ago with a good friend haven given me 4 White Rhino and 8 Trainwreck Rating: 5

[hydrocannabis]

pix please.:thumbsup:

[weedee]

pix please.:thumbsup:

Hey bro... I spent two hours to take and prepare all pics. They're all ready to go.... However, I can't edit my post anymore (its saying something about a 10 minute limit...) and I really wasn't able to figure out how to attach anything...

Help me out here - Do I have to host 'em on something like Google Photobucket and then link to them? And - I emailed the admin about editing my post - Do you know if there's any other way?

[zebulon]

Welcome to the site...to upload pix, push the Post Reply button, and click on the paper clip icon, there you can upload pix....

If it's not working you need 50 posts to upload...

[weedee]

Welcome to the site...to upload pix, push the Post Reply button, and click on the paper clip icon, there you can upload pix....

If it's not working you need 50 posts to upload...

Hmmm... Okay... No paperclip icon for me.... :wtf:

Anyways.... Let's use good old imageshack... :hippy:

First of, let's start with some overview shots: (Truly hoping that an admin will allow me to edit my initial post, later on...)



The detailed shots will follow momentarily....

[weedee]

[align=center]Veg- Day 42


Trainwreck 1 - Plant is 14.6" tall (37cm)
(Plant most prone to droopy upper leaves)




Trainwreck 2 - Plant is 11.4" tall (29cm)

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[align=center]Trainwreck 3 - (Don't know how, but I sure managed to delete the files...)[/align]


[align=center]Trainwreck 4 - Plant is 11.0" tall (28cm)[/align]

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[align=center]Trainwreck 5 - Plant is 13.4" tall (34cm)[/align]

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[align=center]Trainwreck 6 - Plant is 13.8 tall (35cm)[/align]

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Trainwreck 7 - Plant is 11.8" tall (30cm)




Trainwreck 8 - Plant is 10.6" tall (27cm)

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[align=center]White Rhino 1 - Plant is 10.0" tall (25cm)[/align]

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White Rhino 2 - Plant is 12.2" tall (31cm)
(The burned spots on the new growth was me having skrewed up and having used the wrong spray bottle.....)

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[align=center]White Rhino 3 - Plant is 9.5" tall (24cm)[/align]

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[weedee]

[align=center]White Rhino 4 - Plant is 12.6" tall (36cm)
(The burned spots on the new growth was me having skrewed up and having used the wrong spray bottle.....)





Please let me know what you think about the overall condition and see my questions above (very bottom of first post). I am fairly desperate for some advice.
Thanks guys!
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[weedee]

I just realized that its already been a little over 3 weeks that the plants were repotted and thus received nutes. The plants were quiet still small, received 1/2 strenght nutes (me having figured that it would buffer the PH), though it clearly it messed things up and over- fertilized the plants.... I suppose that I have been scared of feeding them again, ever since....

However, when I look at the pictures posted I feel that the green is a bit too light. Some of the white Rhinos look like a MG deficiency to me. Is it possible that its time to feed them again?? imp:

What sucks is that I just watered them a couple days ago and I will have to wait another 3-4 days, before the pots have dried out......

In regards to the plants - I just decided to remove the old shitty looking leaves and I must say that the plants are already looking much better... :thumbsup:

[GraSSy12]

how are ya? from what i have heard coco is pretty much a hydro medium so it wont actually have much nutes in it to begin with asuming what is also in the soil mix has. plant that size i would confidently give 1\4 strength nutes.
dont know how much help that was. btw you could check out this log it was done in coco with white widows


http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ized-coco.html

[Dieselwaverider]

GraSSy12 has a point about the soil.

Im growing White Russian, in Canna Professional Plus too, using Canna Vegga, Canna Flores and Canna Boost Accelerator. I love this stuff!!

I started feeding Vegga at 1/4 strength from day 6 from seeds popping, which is when I transplanted into the "soil", increasing to full strength within 4 feeds. On a four-water cycle : feed, feed, feed, plain water.

I found with this Professional Plus that if I pour water into the soil fast, then run-off happens fairly fast, and the soil retains less water, ie dried out way too fast. If I pour the water slowly, in small amounts at a time, then the soil retains a lot more water, almost double the amount. I always water untill there is some run off, about a tenth of the volume poured into the pots.

Using this feeding schedule with this soil and these nutes I have not had ANY burning, droopy leaves, or any symptoms of stress or nutrient deficiencies at all. The plants love this medium and nute combination. Just wish I had a pic or two for you. They are at day 39 of flowering now, and still look as healthy and vibrant as when they first popped their heads into this world.

So I guess the short answer with this soil is feed them, they will love it and you will see the improvement in a very very short time