thanks newgrower, mine are stinking a lot now, there frost is getting heavy, these pics dont realy show it, i will take more soon and show you the changes in the last weeks, i would emagine yours are coming on now, have you still got my email addy, i have got yours, mine take a long time to dry so that can be tormenting, but i have enough left from last time to carry me through another few weeks peace man and happy growing