check it out herbie not worried about the light got a buddy that works for the the light company:thumbsup:have a big house with a 3 ton a/c and a big household and pay 50 bucks every 2 months the gh is mostly what i will be using and got the 6 gal. size so i got a little. i forgot to mention i also got a 60 site ez cloner i got good results with just ro water and gel.will be using 8inch pot with hydroton with 40 gal. res. and 3 lights per table 2 hps and 1 mh .seen the the latewoods thead and thinking of getting liquid karma and calmag+ with my 3 parts gh and koolbloom:jointsmile: