Vaporizers- negative respiratory effects

[MrHazy]

Just a regular VaporBros (ceramic heating element with glass whip) usually filtered through a large waterpipe). But it has been at least a month for me since I've been sick.

The set-up sounds perfectly fine to me if its used on low temps.

Stay well :thumbsup:

[drunknb]

Sorry about the lengthy delay, been slammed lately...anyhow;

I sure would like to hear more of Drunknb's thoughts on this subject.

I have pretty much decided to just give up vaping altogether and just make edibles from now on. Even though I quit smoking years ago, I still get bronchitis and I am worried vaping might be making me more susceptible. This time when I got bronchitis, it turned into pneumonia and I had it for a month and it was a huge mess that cost me hundreds in bills from the doctor's office. The doctor who saw me for pneumonia said I shouldn't ever smoke again... not even occasionally. I didn't want to try to explain to him what vaping was, but I am guessing that if my lungs are really that sensitive, I shouldn't take chances vaping either? There is history of asthma in my family, but I didn't think I had it. But I can't afford to get bronchitis/pneumonia every year, so would it be in my best interest not to vape anymore?

Seriously man... I've seen so many people die from pneumonia, it's rediculous. VAP (Ventilator Acquired Pneumonia)...not to be confused with "vap/vape" (vaporizing) has been an enormous culprit. ...given that is a nosicomial issue (generally hospital induced)...that's even worse. These are patients that are coming into the hospital for pulmonary issues/diseases, ending up on a ventilator due to that pulmonary disease, then acquiring pneumonia, secondary to their initial issue...because the hospital was not diligent in practicing "clean-techniques" (constant hand-washing, acceptable sanitation of equipment, etc.)

While YOU, yourself... may not be going into the doctor for a ventilator assisted disease; it certainly could head that way pretty easily, if you choose to continue to admit foriegn bodies into your airways. Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to "scare you into not smoking" (that's your doc's job ) ...I'm just trying to provide facts.

Like I said previously; I'm not a huge fan of edibles...either cuz they don't affect me, or I just get impatient for them to kick in, so I just vap or blaze one. I'm guessing if I ingested larger amounts...which I don't necesarily see a valid reason to do so...then I might like it. There's been a lot of advances in edibles too, and I know that people SWEAR by them, just check the lable at the dispensary.

As far as you speaking with your doctor regarding vaporizing; I would suggest that you would do it, or even discuss your couriousness of ingesting marijuana. This is the individual that is knowledgable of the medical portion of your life - which seems to be moreso than average - and HAS taken many years of schooling to understand the human body. You have a law-mandated-confident, doctor/patient relationship.

As far as ceasing vaping all together; due to and considering your conditions, yeah man... I'd suggest doing it. ...that's not even my RT side coming out, it's my human side coming out. My RT side says "fuk yeah man...cus that ish can lead to some really fukd up issues down the road!" (perhaps not quite in that diction...but you get the point )

Anyhow, hope that helped - once again, my apologies regarding the rant... I'm buzzed

d_b

[TASedlak]

I was just about to start a new thread when I found this one.

Okay, I assume everyone has experienced vaporizer pain. The vapor is hot and dry and irritates the respiratory tract. In fact, I believe using my vaporizer has given me several sinus infections in the past two years.

Is there anyway people know of to cool and/or add moisture to the vapor besides inhaling the vapor through a water pipe?

There was a product on the market for a little while called the "vaporicer," which is no longer available.

Also, I purchased a humidifier that I planned to attach a hose to, so that I could inhale humid air simultaneously with the vapor, but the device smelled badly of chemicals because of the plastic it was constructed from. So, I was forced to ditch that idea.

I'm running out of ideas, and fear I may have to abandon cannabis use in the form of smoke or vapor because of the ill effects it has on my repiratory health.

Perhaps drunknb can provide some incite, too. How can I make the vapor healthy for me?

Please don't tell me to lower the temperature on my vaporizer or drink water when vaporizing. These suggestions don't help.

Thanks.

[VapedG13]

Okay, I assume everyone has experienced vaporizer pain. The vapor is hot and dry and irritates the respiratory tract. In fact, I believe using my vaporizer has given me several sinus infections in the past two years.
Is there anyway people know of to cool and/or add moisture to the vapor besides inhaling the vapor through a water pipe?

There was a product on the market for a little while called the "vaporicer," which is no longer available.

Also, I purchased a humidifier that I planned to attach a hose to, so that I could inhale humid air simultaneously with the vapor, but the device smelled badly of chemicals because of the plastic it was constructed from. So, I was forced to ditch that idea.

I'm running out of ideas, and fear I may have to abandon cannabis use in the form of smoke or vapor because of the ill effects it has on my repiratory health.

Perhaps drunknb can provide some incite, too. How can I make the vapor healthy for me?

Please don't tell me to lower the temperature on my vaporizer or drink water when vaporizing. These suggestions don't help.

Thanks.

one word............ eatibles......if vaping messes with your respritory system...injestion may not

[Feathers]

Interesting topic... especially because I vape AND for the first time in my life, I have pneumonia.

I use an iolite and was told early on that I could just put kief with the ground bud in the bowl and vape like that, no additional anything to the vaporizer like a screen just for kief use in a vape. I trusted this person, a budtender btw, and ever since I did, I have been coughing, a lot. My coughing got worse and I saw a dr. and was diagnosed with pneumonia.

Now, I am not saying that is why I am sick, but after reading about foreign bodies in the lungs causing bronchitis (which makes total sense), I wonder if that is how it started?

Even with cleaning, can an iolite carry fungus that could be making me sick?

Obviously, since I am so sick right now, I am not vaping or smoking ( hard enough to breathe as is). I just do not want to get this bad again But mmj is a HUGE part of my mobility since I have degenerative disc disease and really bad spinal arthritis along with various anxiety type probs.

Should I stop using my iolite to vape?

DISCLAIMER: I am really sick so if this post does not make sense please realize that is why.

Feathers

[bruce48]

Maybe some edibles for a while?
This way the pains from your various disabilities are satiated and you can give your lungs a rest, take some antibiotics and get better.

[Feathers]

@bruce48: Thanks I am currently using up my supply of MJ's Glycerin Drops, a tincture. I am on antibiotics, now for three days and am feeling better by a bit.

Perhaps I will buy a Hashy's 10x Brownie or some other good edible :thumbsup:

Still, my questions remain... anyone?

Feathers

[Graywolf]

This past spring, after getting bronchitis twice in 6 months, I was proud to post here that I had quit smoking and had purchased a vapor-bros vaporizer!

Although I felt much better since (less coughing etc) I still managed to develop bronchitis this past October. I fought it for a few weeks and got well. Now the end of November, I have bronchitis again...

I kinda want to know if anyone has ever heard of negative effects from a vape (hopefully birdgirl is around, she knows much about pulmonary function, and granny too, she is really well-read!)

I never set the temperature dial much past the halfway point on my vape, but perhaps my daily or twice daily use combined with my allergies is still causing me respiratory harm????

The filter separating the herbs from the hose is fairly fine, but it is still likely that there are tiny dust particles and whatnot passing through and into my lungs.

I have also read that the rather warm and very dry air that one inhales when using a vape can often cause respiratory irritation.

I tried connecting my vape to a water pipe, but after finishing, the inside of the vape hose had lots of water droplets way up inside, which I could not reach to dry. Worrying that water left inside a vape hose could be a breeding ground for bacteria etc, I decided against that idea.

Now after seeing my doc, he said I should quit vaporizing and also advised against me using cannabis in edible form (some nonsense about how eating cannabis prevents the body from absorbing vitamins).

My current plan is to just switch to edibles (which is really sad because that means I cannot be a daily user anymore as edibles are much more $$$)

SO yea, if anyone has heard of vapes causing any type of respiratory problems etc PLEASE chime in.... I could find little on the net other than the positive aspects of vapes.

responses are really much apprecited :rastasmoke:

Yes, absolutely without question I and many of my older cannabis associates cannot smoke or vaporize without chronic bronchitis!

I'm thinking that it is because our lungs were not meant to breath smoke or vapors that are an acknowledged expectorant.

Your doctor's observations about oral consumption leave me asking for his resources, because I have never read or experienced anything of the kind.

My daily medication is sub lingual with just enough smoking and vaporizing to keep my bronchial tubes upset with me, but not enough to take me and my errant ways to task.

Except for a deficiency in Vitamin D, caused by our local lack of sunshine, even in my dotage, I have never been diagnosed as lacking any other vitamins.

My best guess is that your doctor doesn't believe in or support medical MJ and is just joining in the chant against it.

I would find a new doctor, because although mine doesn't believe in it, he is open and paying close attention, vis a vis trying to discourage me with unfounded myth that just reflect stupidity and secondary agendas.

[drunknb]

I was just about to start a new thread when I found this one.

Okay, I assume everyone has experienced vaporizer pain. The vapor is hot and dry and irritates the respiratory tract. In fact, I believe using my vaporizer has given me several sinus infections in the past two years.

Is there anyway people know of to cool and/or add moisture to the vapor besides inhaling the vapor through a water pipe?

There was a product on the market for a little while called the "vaporicer," which is no longer available.

Also, I purchased a humidifier that I planned to attach a hose to, so that I could inhale humid air simultaneously with the vapor, but the device smelled badly of chemicals because of the plastic it was constructed from. So, I was forced to ditch that idea.

I'm running out of ideas, and fear I may have to abandon cannabis use in the form of smoke or vapor because of the ill effects it has on my repiratory health.

Perhaps drunknb can provide some incite, too. How can I make the vapor healthy for me?

Please don't tell me to lower the temperature on my vaporizer or drink water when vaporizing. These suggestions don't help.

Thanks.

Regardless; if you subject your lungs to a foreign body, it can affect them. As far mas making the vape "healthy", you really can't. ...it's just "healthier" than smoking. You can run your vapor through ice and/or ice water to further cool/clean the vapor too.

Edibles, oils or tinctures is probably the way you'll want to go if you have such an adverse reaction to smoking and/or vap'ing.

Feathers: yeah, it's possible. The Iolite is a closed system when in use, anything could be hiding in there. You could use a Cidex based cleaner (medical grade, medical equipment cleaner) throughout it, just make sure you rinse it thoroughly and let it dry completely prior to use again. That would take care of any critters in there. This system doesn't really have a way to cool the smoke through a water or ice reservoir...unless you hook a tube to the mouthpiece, etc.

...and yeah, there are WAAAY many doc's out there that agree with the uses of canibus - find a new doctor that understands your concerns and will be willing to work with you to remedy your situation.

paace,
db

[notomorrow]

Hello people of cannabis boards.
I'm resurrecting this thread in hope that someone can give some advice / input on my problem. Here I go:

About 18 months ago, after a pretty serious bleeding crisis one night, I was diagnosed with tuberculosis. Been hospitalized for one month, than followed treatment for 6 months. As soon as the treatment stopped, I started to feel sick again and some minor bleedings occurred again. Been hospitalized again for another month. This time they found out that it was chemo resistant TB so I switched to harder drugs, for a one year period of time. After one year and a half, I just finished my treatment this month so I guess I can now say I'm leaving all this behind. I'm all good now, starting to do some light workout everyday to get back in shape.

Until all this had occurred I was a smoker for 9 years (one pack a day). Towards the period when I got sick I was carrying a messy life that involved heavy partying, alcohol, cigarettes, occasional joints (3 a month or so), bad meals and little sleep. Actually, this way of life is what got me this disease.

Needles to say, from the moment I got sick I changed my life completely. I quit smoking immediately. I'm now trying to get 8 hours of sleep every night, eat healthy, avoid alcohol and other bad things out there. The thing that I didn't put out completely though is MJ. In the last year I smoked about 5-6 times, so about 1 time every 2 months or so. Anyway, I never want to do that again as I realize even that frequency of this habit won't do any good to my lungs. I tried edibles which are fine but sometimes it's a complete headache to cook them.

So I have been studying vaporizers for a while now over the internet. Haven't tried out one yet but I'm planning to get one. However, since it involves getting something down in my lungs and giving my recent experience with the disease, I wonder If it's the right way to go. Note that I'll be getting high about twice a week or so. Not a daily habit for me. What I'm looking for is the Magic Flight Launch Box -http://magic-flight.com/ a small portable vaporizer that seems to get the job done fast, easy and efficient.

So I'd like to carry on with this habit and enjoy this wonder plant but I'm wondering If I'm jeopardizing my health by doing so.
Note that I researched the vaporizers thing quite a bit now, so I pretty much know everything about them and their effects on lungs, etc. However, this is a specific situation and maybe someone with a similar problem can give some advice.

On another hand, I researched quite a bit and found out that Cannabis is one of the strongest antibacterial plants. In fact, in the 1930s tuberculosis and a good hand of other diseases were cured using various concoctions of this plant. Moreover, tuberculosis treatment often involves vapor inhalation of specific plants and plant oils. So maybe there could be a positive side of this matter?

I know this is a long story and a lot of information, but this thread is one of the most specific and comprehensive ones that I found on the whole web. We even have a doctor's input here so maybe someone can help me out.

Given my situation, will I be doing any damage to my lungs vaporizing Cannabis about 2 times a week?

many thanks,
peace