Vaporizers- negative respiratory effects

[MrHazy]

Just a regular VaporBros (ceramic heating element with glass whip) usually filtered through a large waterpipe). But it has been at least a month for me since I've been sick.

The set-up sounds perfectly fine to me if its used on low temps.

Stay well :thumbsup:

MrHazy Reviewed by MrHazy on 12-18-2010. Vaporizers- negative respiratory effects This past spring, after getting bronchitis twice in 6 months, I was proud to post here that I had quit smoking and had purchased a vapor-bros vaporizer! Although I felt much better since (less coughing etc) I still managed to develop bronchitis this past October. I fought it for a few weeks and got well. Now the end of November, I have bronchitis again... I kinda want to know if anyone has ever heard of negative effects from a vape (hopefully birdgirl is around, she knows much about Rating: 5

[drunknb]

Sorry about the lengthy delay, been slammed lately...anyhow;

I sure would like to hear more of Drunknb's thoughts on this subject.

I have pretty much decided to just give up vaping altogether and just make edibles from now on. Even though I quit smoking years ago, I still get bronchitis and I am worried vaping might be making me more susceptible. This time when I got bronchitis, it turned into pneumonia and I had it for a month and it was a huge mess that cost me hundreds in bills from the doctor's office. The doctor who saw me for pneumonia said I shouldn't ever smoke again... not even occasionally. I didn't want to try to explain to him what vaping was, but I am guessing that if my lungs are really that sensitive, I shouldn't take chances vaping either? There is history of asthma in my family, but I didn't think I had it. But I can't afford to get bronchitis/pneumonia every year, so would it be in my best interest not to vape anymore?

Seriously man... I've seen so many people die from pneumonia, it's rediculous. VAP (Ventilator Acquired Pneumonia)...not to be confused with "vap/vape" (vaporizing) has been an enormous culprit. ...given that is a nosicomial issue (generally hospital induced)...that's even worse. These are patients that are coming into the hospital for pulmonary issues/diseases, ending up on a ventilator due to that pulmonary disease, then acquiring pneumonia, secondary to their initial issue...because the hospital was not diligent in practicing "clean-techniques" (constant hand-washing, acceptable sanitation of equipment, etc.)

While YOU, yourself... may not be going into the doctor for a ventilator assisted disease; it certainly could head that way pretty easily, if you choose to continue to admit foriegn bodies into your airways. Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to "scare you into not smoking" (that's your doc's job ) ...I'm just trying to provide facts.

Like I said previously; I'm not a huge fan of edibles...either cuz they don't affect me, or I just get impatient for them to kick in, so I just vap or blaze one. I'm guessing if I ingested larger amounts...which I don't necesarily see a valid reason to do so...then I might like it. There's been a lot of advances in edibles too, and I know that people SWEAR by them, just check the lable at the dispensary.

As far as you speaking with your doctor regarding vaporizing; I would suggest that you would do it, or even discuss your couriousness of ingesting marijuana. This is the individual that is knowledgable of the medical portion of your life - which seems to be moreso than average - and HAS taken many years of schooling to understand the human body. You have a law-mandated-confident, doctor/patient relationship.

As far as ceasing vaping all together; due to and considering your conditions, yeah man... I'd suggest doing it. ...that's not even my RT side coming out, it's my human side coming out. My RT side says "fuk yeah man...cus that ish can lead to some really fukd up issues down the road!" (perhaps not quite in that diction...but you get the point )

Anyhow, hope that helped - once again, my apologies regarding the rant... I'm buzzed

d_b

[TASedlak]

I was just about to start a new thread when I found this one.

Okay, I assume everyone has experienced vaporizer pain. The vapor is hot and dry and irritates the respiratory tract. In fact, I believe using my vaporizer has given me several sinus infections in the past two years.

Is there anyway people know of to cool and/or add moisture to the vapor besides inhaling the vapor through a water pipe?

There was a product on the market for a little while called the "vaporicer," which is no longer available.

Also, I purchased a humidifier that I planned to attach a hose to, so that I could inhale humid air simultaneously with the vapor, but the device smelled badly of chemicals because of the plastic it was constructed from. So, I was forced to ditch that idea.

I'm running out of ideas, and fear I may have to abandon cannabis use in the form of smoke or vapor because of the ill effects it has on my repiratory health.

Perhaps drunknb can provide some incite, too. How can I make the vapor healthy for me?

Please don't tell me to lower the temperature on my vaporizer or drink water when vaporizing. These suggestions don't help.

Thanks.

[VapedG13]

Okay, I assume everyone has experienced vaporizer pain. The vapor is hot and dry and irritates the respiratory tract. In fact, I believe using my vaporizer has given me several sinus infections in the past two years.
Is there anyway people know of to cool and/or add moisture to the vapor besides inhaling the vapor through a water pipe?

There was a product on the market for a little while called the "vaporicer," which is no longer available.

Also, I purchased a humidifier that I planned to attach a hose to, so that I could inhale humid air simultaneously with the vapor, but the device smelled badly of chemicals because of the plastic it was constructed from. So, I was forced to ditch that idea.

I'm running out of ideas, and fear I may have to abandon cannabis use in the form of smoke or vapor because of the ill effects it has on my repiratory health.

Perhaps drunknb can provide some incite, too. How can I make the vapor healthy for me?

Please don't tell me to lower the temperature on my vaporizer or drink water when vaporizing. These suggestions don't help.

Thanks.

one word............ eatibles......if vaping messes with your respritory system...injestion may not

[Feathers]

Interesting topic... especially because I vape AND for the first time in my life, I have pneumonia.

I use an iolite and was told early on that I could just put kief with the ground bud in the bowl and vape like that, no additional anything to the vaporizer like a screen just for kief use in a vape. I trusted this person, a budtender btw, and ever since I did, I have been coughing, a lot. My coughing got worse and I saw a dr. and was diagnosed with pneumonia.

Now, I am not saying that is why I am sick, but after reading about foreign bodies in the lungs causing bronchitis (which makes total sense), I wonder if that is how it started?

Even with cleaning, can an iolite carry fungus that could be making me sick?

Obviously, since I am so sick right now, I am not vaping or smoking ( hard enough to breathe as is). I just do not want to get this bad again But mmj is a HUGE part of my mobility since I have degenerative disc disease and really bad spinal arthritis along with various anxiety type probs.

Should I stop using my iolite to vape?

DISCLAIMER: I am really sick so if this post does not make sense please realize that is why.

Feathers

[bruce48]

Maybe some edibles for a while?
This way the pains from your various disabilities are satiated and you can give your lungs a rest, take some antibiotics and get better.

[Feathers]

@bruce48: Thanks I am currently using up my supply of MJ's Glycerin Drops, a tincture. I am on antibiotics, now for three days and am feeling better by a bit.

Perhaps I will buy a Hashy's 10x Brownie or some other good edible :thumbsup:

Still, my questions remain... anyone?

Feathers

[Graywolf]

This past spring, after getting bronchitis twice in 6 months, I was proud to post here that I had quit smoking and had purchased a vapor-bros vaporizer!

Although I felt much better since (less coughing etc) I still managed to develop bronchitis this past October. I fought it for a few weeks and got well. Now the end of November, I have bronchitis again...

I kinda want to know if anyone has ever heard of negative effects from a vape (hopefully birdgirl is around, she knows much about pulmonary function, and granny too, she is really well-read!)

I never set the temperature dial much past the halfway point on my vape, but perhaps my daily or twice daily use combined with my allergies is still causing me respiratory harm????

The filter separating the herbs from the hose is fairly fine, but it is still likely that there are tiny dust particles and whatnot passing through and into my lungs.

I have also read that the rather warm and very dry air that one inhales when using a vape can often cause respiratory irritation.

I tried connecting my vape to a water pipe, but after finishing, the inside of the vape hose had lots of water droplets way up inside, which I could not reach to dry. Worrying that water left inside a vape hose could be a breeding ground for bacteria etc, I decided against that idea.

Now after seeing my doc, he said I should quit vaporizing and also advised against me using cannabis in edible form (some nonsense about how eating cannabis prevents the body from absorbing vitamins).

My current plan is to just switch to edibles (which is really sad because that means I cannot be a daily user anymore as edibles are much more $$$)

SO yea, if anyone has heard of vapes causing any type of respiratory problems etc PLEASE chime in.... I could find little on the net other than the positive aspects of vapes.

responses are really much apprecited :rastasmoke:

Yes, absolutely without question I and many of my older cannabis associates cannot smoke or vaporize without chronic bronchitis!

I'm thinking that it is because our lungs were not meant to breath smoke or vapors that are an acknowledged expectorant.

Your doctor's observations about oral consumption leave me asking for his resources, because I have never read or experienced anything of the kind.

My daily medication is sub lingual with just enough smoking and vaporizing to keep my bronchial tubes upset with me, but not enough to take me and my errant ways to task.

Except for a deficiency in Vitamin D, caused by our local lack of sunshine, even in my dotage, I have never been diagnosed as lacking any other vitamins.

My best guess is that your doctor doesn't believe in or support medical MJ and is just joining in the chant against it.

I would find a new doctor, because although mine doesn't believe in it, he is open and paying close attention, vis a vis trying to discourage me with unfounded myth that just reflect stupidity and secondary agendas.

[drunknb]

I was just about to start a new thread when I found this one.

Okay, I assume everyone has experienced vaporizer pain. The vapor is hot and dry and irritates the respiratory tract. In fact, I believe using my vaporizer has given me several sinus infections in the past two years.

Is there anyway people know of to cool and/or add moisture to the vapor besides inhaling the vapor through a water pipe?

There was a product on the market for a little while called the "vaporicer," which is no longer available.

Also, I purchased a humidifier that I planned to attach a hose to, so that I could inhale humid air simultaneously with the vapor, but the device smelled badly of chemicals because of the plastic it was constructed from. So, I was forced to ditch that idea.

I'm running out of ideas, and fear I may have to abandon cannabis use in the form of smoke or vapor because of the ill effects it has on my repiratory health.

Perhaps drunknb can provide some incite, too. How can I make the vapor healthy for me?

Please don't tell me to lower the temperature on my vaporizer or drink water when vaporizing. These suggestions don't help.

Thanks.

Regardless; if you subject your lungs to a foreign body, it can affect them. As far mas making the vape "healthy", you really can't. ...it's just "healthier" than smoking. You can run your vapor through ice and/or ice water to further cool/clean the vapor too.

Edibles, oils or tinctures is probably the way you'll want to go if you have such an adverse reaction to smoking and/or vap'ing.

Feathers: yeah, it's possible. The Iolite is a closed system when in use, anything could be hiding in there. You could use a Cidex based cleaner (medical grade, medical equipment cleaner) throughout it, just make sure you rinse it thoroughly and let it dry completely prior to use again. That would take care of any critters in there. This system doesn't really have a way to cool the smoke through a water or ice reservoir...unless you hook a tube to the mouthpiece, etc.

...and yeah, there are WAAAY many doc's out there that agree with the uses of canibus - find a new doctor that understands your concerns and will be willing to work with you to remedy your situation.

paace,
db

[drunknb]

I know it's hell of a lot more safely than putting smoke in your lungs but is it 100% safe? or are there any hidden side effects to it?

That depends on what your definition of 100% safe is...whereas nothing is 100% safe. Walking across the street, isn't 100% safe. Driving a car, isn't 100% safe. Taking medicines, is not 100% safe. It's what one does to increase the safety, while performing a task. When walking across the street, you increase your safety by not crossing while there is moving traffic in your vacinity and looking both ways before you cross. While driving a vehicle, you increase safety by wearing a seatbelt, adhering to the posted driving laws and driving defensively. While taking meds, you increase the safety by taking only FDA approved medications, prescribed meds or over-the-counter medications. Everything is going to be (in a sense) dangerous, it's what we do to lessen those dangers. When it comes to cannabis, you can increase the health-safety by minizing the "damage", by using a vaporizer or ingesting it orally.

As far as hidden side-effects...yeah...laziness ...no but really: I think I mentioned this about the iolite somewhere around here too - the downside to those closed systems is that it could harbor bacteria, which could end up in your lungs, however cleaning with a bleach-based cleaner occasionally would do the trick. I'm also going to say however that it probably wouldn't be as much bacteria as would be on say... your cell phone...or even your bong (and people keep water in their bong - a breeding ground for bacteria - then smoke it).

Hope that helps - peace
db