White Widow seedlings..........More problems!

[chelsea69]

Hello, you've all been very helpful so far, i've now ran into more problems that i hope someone could help me solve. After repotting them, they showed signs of wilting, thats now fine, now though the first leaves that grew on all five plants have rust like spots over them and also the stems look a bit purple, i'm getting fairly concerned and i'm sure i need to do something to help them. Am i just being an overbearing father worrying about every little thing or should i just chill out and let them get on with it?
The soil i'm using is fox farmcean forest and i've watered once with plain water since they were repotted sunday morning, the temps 72 and humidity 48 and i've a small fan blowing on them.
Thanks for looking and any advice would be gladly accepted.

chelsea69 Reviewed by chelsea69 on 12-01-2008. White Widow seedlings..........More problems! Hello, you've all been very helpful so far, i've now ran into more problems that i hope someone could help me solve. After repotting them, they showed signs of wilting, thats now fine, now though the first leaves that grew on all five plants have rust like spots over them and also the stems look a bit purple, i'm getting fairly concerned and i'm sure i need to do something to help them. Am i just being an overbearing father worrying about every little thing or should i just chill out and let Rating: 5

[sensilights]

i'm no professional, but I think those pots might be a bit large for the size of the seedlings there, also ocean forest might be a bit hot for them being as little as they are...but all in all i think they look fine, maybe its me, but it looks like the only leaves affected are the bottom set. Stems may be purple due to lower temps, (but I don't think thats a serious issue) what is the temp with the lights off? I'd probably just leave them to grow for a few days and see if the crispy leaves progress up the stem, or just stop where they're at. My last grow had crispy leaves like that on the first node, but it never went any higher up the stem.

As I've said I'm no pro, i've gleaned most of the knowledge i've gotten from reading the forums here, and the rest from practical experience (trying my own way and screwing it up so i have to ask for help here :P) Maybe one of the regulars could either confirm or deny my info

[Weedhound]

Did you mix anything with your oceans forest? And did the spotting start before or after you transplanted? How about the coloring in the stems?

I wonder about bugs of some kind.

YIPES....they are white widow babies!! I myself would consider FFOF too strong for WW' babies and keep them in Happy Frog. I also agree with sensi lights that your pot may be too big for them......something about 1/2 to 2/3 that size but FFOR is a hot soil and WW likes VERY LIGHT nutes.

[Weedhound]

Can you check the ph of your water?

[Weedhound]

And what kind of light is that and how close? if it's flouros its ok. If it's a 400mh then its too close.

[chelsea69]

Hi, the spotting was there before i repotted but nowhere near as bad as now and only on one plant, I germinated the seeds in peat pellets in a heated dome, but i mistakenly added nutes from the very start and them i didn't repot them soon enough, they were rootbound when i moved them to the larger pots, they are 2 and a half weeks old now. My water ph is 6.5 and my lights are a T5 compacts. I think they may still be suffering from the nutes i gave them too early, i'm just using water at the moment, not sure when to start giving them nutes again. Thanks for the quick responses to my questions.

[Weedhound]

DEFINITELY don't give them any nutes...FFOF should be plenty for them. If those are t5's I'd pull them back. despite the chatter about flouros being so close I find t5's run hotter than other flouros and benefit with the lights a bit more away.

The rust spots may/can be sign of a k def if not pests......BUT.......you need to understand that that is just a symptom.....not a true issue. Things like overfert, high ph, low humidity (like your T5's being real close) tend to present first as a k def. FFOF is not lacking in ANY nutes.

So the problem must be ph lockout or lighting too close or bugs. Since your water is good ph you say; pull your lights back .

WW can be delicate......ease up on the lights even if just to help ease stress on the plant. That may or may not be your only issue; but it's a fine place to start.

[chelsea69]

Thanks for theclaer and concise advice Weedhound, I've pulled the the lights up right away, my girlfriend thought the lights were too close as well , but i did'nt take any notice! I gonna test my water ph again before i use it and not put any nutes in, then keep my fingers crossed that my babies fight back. Thanks again for the tips, much appreciated.

[Weedhound]

I do think the lights are your issue.........same thing happened to some of my stuff when I got my lights way down......pulled them back to about a foot (they are t5's) and the plants did immediately better......too close, too hot, humidity drops, plants get unhappy.

Good luck.

[chelsea69]

Thanks again Weedhound, pulled my lights up last last night, the plants are looking happier today, the problem hasn't spread to any other leaves and they showing new growth. My temps 72 humidity 52. I do think i had the lights too close, the leaves that it affected are sort of burnt yellow coloured, dry and a bit crispy, as for the soil, it says on the bag no nutrients needed for 30 days, so thats what i'll do. I Didn't realise White Widow were of a delicate nature, hopefully i've not harmed them too much. Fingers crossed!!