Quote Originally Posted by apocolips31
Ok first of all I thought we are talking about reality, you know the thing with limitations.
Under your original assumption, realities limitations negate the possibility for freedom to exist. You said "whatever you want, whenever you want".

If i want to break into Fort. Knox and steal all of the gold, what effect does not bringing a truck have on my freedom? Without a truck to carry the tons of dense metal, i would not be able to steal all of the gold, therefore under your assertion, my lack of possessing a truck is limiting my freedom.

But... if i were a rational being who cared about my self interest, not having a truck might factor into my decision along with the armed guards, and potential death or imprisonment.

So where i am free to attempt anything i want, in doing so i must accept the fact that a possibility of failure does exist. Therefore the potential risk of failure cannot be thought of as the potential loss of freedom. When a potential risk of failure alters my decision, and i choose not to do something; i was free to make that decision. Cohesion equals potential risk of failure only if cohesion also equals potential satisfaction.

I was talking about freedoms that were actually possible.
I provided vast examples encompassing many realms of existence.

Also for the cannabis example that is one of the acts you may be free to commit but, could you go kill someone and be free not to suffer any consequences?
You are begging the question here.

I think not.
Are you saying nobody has ever gotten away with murder completely unsuspected?

So like I said freedom is being able to do whatever you want, when you want and how many times you want(with in reality's limitations.....).So the end result is still the same , your freedom being prohibited.
If I do not want to do something, and someone puts a gun to my head telling me to do it or i die, my freedom is being prohibited. Reason be, cohesion is equaling both potential risk and reward. You are unknowingly labeling freedom as a zero sum game. The situation i described above is a zero sum game, where risk = reward. In this situation, choice has been removed, hence the ability to choose = freedom.