What is meant by "commercial" weed?

[Gotabud]

Lmao.. No one uses l33t smoker. Sorry, I guess it went over your head, but it was me making fun of people like you. And I quote:

I've been smoking everyday for about 7 years

Yeah, that's some authority you've got there with your 7 years experience, Mr. l33t Smoker. I hope you enjoy yourself when you tell your dealer how you took two hits of his shit and you were gone, "Sooo worth it!" and he silently laughs because he knows it's a scam.

But feel free to laugh and pretend like you have any kind of argument.. People like you get ripped off daily and think they're in heaven with slightly more potent weed. Oh, it's sticky? I'll pay even more for it! Who cares if I'm getting even less than I should because it wasn't properly dried? Come to think of it, I disproved almost every argument you made. I guess somebody got a little embarrassed .

That's okay. There are going to be a lot of embarrassed l33t smokers, like yourself, when we can finally cut through the ignorance in the world's stoner community and combat exploitation of naive customers, also like yourself.

If anyone else wants to chime in with an objective explanation, please do... Like I said before, this is the #2 listing on a google search for "commercial weed," so it's the best place to get this figured out.

(P.S. I've been smoking for 6 years, almost 7.)

[BlueBlazer]

All I know is neither one of you can hold a candle to Majesticman . . . :S2:

[lamapot]

Gotabud is quite right in his deduction. Prices now are the direct result of a naive, perhaps ignorant, wave of cannabis smokers.

[redtails]

It isn't 5-6oz:1oz; it's 8-9oz:1oz*
Also, it isn't calling a steak a steak. It's paying $15 for a Filet Mignon from an "okay" restaurant instead of $150 for a steak that may only be twice as good from a top-of-the-line restaurant. Even if it clearly tastes better, has been taken care of, is more emotionally satisfying, it still isn't really worth anywhere near the money, and the people who choose to buy it will always be grossly overpaying. The difference is that nug is sold at a market value that is supposedly at least somewhat worth it.

If it's not worth it to you, then don't buy it. Obviously you're a rec user, because regs won't treat anything except maybe lack of appetite and insomnia.

So have we all agreed that "garbage weed" is, at worst, 10% potency (as described by seedbanks; I don't really know what exactly that means), and that, on average, nug will probably only double that (20%)?

No, I don't agree. It may have been 10% when it was fresh down in Mexico or wherever it came from, but when it comes to you it's more like 3-5% at BEST because of fillers like leaves, sticks, seeds, etc. and severe damage to the trichs from compression, handling, and improper storage techniques. The percentage as I understand it refers to amount of THC in the weed by weight, and heat, light, and oxygen quickly degrade the THC into CBN and other non-psychoactive cannabinoids.

Assuming THC content was relatively the same, the highs should have very similar durations, unless you can identify any other specific reasons to suggest otherwise.

It's all in the cannabinoid ratios, not sheer percentage of THC alone that dictates type of high and duration. Hence the reason there's thousands of strains all with different effects.

What do you mean by "stress headaches"? I would assume that if commercially grown crop gave you headaches over nug, it was probably the "additives" that you spoke of.

It's also related to pollen in the buds from them turning hermie. Test this out by smoking some male flowers...I guarantee you a headache!

Smokable weight per oz might actually be lower in nug, even considering the seeds in commercial, since the strong odor and sometimes even stickiness indicates it wasn't properly dried.

True, some unscrupulous dealers will leave a lot of moisture in the product, but don't buy it if you don't like it. The smell and taste is a product of the terpenes in the trichomes, and yes more moisture = more smell, although some strains are extremely smelly regardless.

I'm trying to prove that the difference in highs is mostly just the placebo effect. Yes, I felt like I could tell the difference between commercial and nug, but I was also always informed before coming to that conclusion, so I was expecting a difference.

Talking never proves anything, you need to set up a blind or double blind trial to prove it. Roll 2 joints, one with chronic and one with dirt weed, mark them and give them to a friend who doesn't smoke much or at all. Tell him to smoke them and rate it based on whatever criteria you want, then see for yourself if he can tell.

Also, speaking from experience is deceptive for the very reason I'm trying to prove. YOU are not a credible source, because you are under the impression there really IS a difference and therefore are far more likely to fall victim to the placebo effect. (You = general audience)

Me personally, I've come to my own conclusions about it through experience. That being said, the rest is true especially since the price is higher, people are led to believe it's always better although sometimes this is not the case.

Also, do your math right. It isn't paying 75% more... It's paying 750-900% more...

Well let's see, $20 a 1/4 for crap weed (average here for Mexi-brick), and $80-100 a 1/4 for some good nug...See where he got the 75%? I'm sure he meant 4x as much. Quantity dictates price-breaks and difference all depends on how much you buy of each. A pound of Mex is like $400-550 in my area as opposed to $1200 for the kind. On the other hand a gram is more like $2-5 & $20-25. So good weed being 3-10x more expensive, you're assuming the higher end of the spectrum.

I do agree that the prices are way inflated, so grow your own and you'll be spending the same amount on an oz of your own as you would be on buying shwag, assuming you have some skill and know what's necessary to get and what's not in regards to equipment & nutrients & all.

[RelaxaBIT]

hahaha seriously, i'm still laughing at this guy over here... and I dont know why you're quoting "l33t smokers" like i said I was one, because I didn't. Like i said, anyone who even brought up the term l33t smokers is a huge douche ( I have a pretty good idea it was you) Second, i'm not going to sit online and argue to you about something I know is a fact. I know what gets me high,the type of high I get, and I know that your assumptions are way off. Just take some time to read the poster above me and a few others to educate yourself. Also, i'm just curious, if you can yield the same amount of THC content out of the mids that you can with the dro or dank, why would anyone waste their time and money to grow a product that only "looks pretty but doesn't get you any higher or a diff type of buzz" ?? can you tell me that? I mean if the mexican brick weed had 15-20% thc in it, then no one would fucking grow the other shit because it would be just as easy and less of a hassel and less time and money. I don't give a SHIT what my weed looks like dude, I care about how my shit smokes. I do know that the brick weed doesn't usually exceed a THC content of over 4-8%. In a nice bud that was grown with care and creates more tricomes yields upwards to 15-20%. You are assuming everyone thinks like you or feels the same way you do because of how you feel when you smoke. Because just like anything, it can effect you different than it might others. Also, I have been an everyday smoker for 7 to 8 years. Ive actually been smoking since I was 14, but not everyday like I am now. So I guess you can count that 11 years so i'm not fucking stupid and I draw my own conclusions. And I do know that I wouldn't pay extra money from dro or dank if the fuckin schwag that pedro and his cat piss on were to get me an equal high to that of say a "jack herrer" strain. PLacebo effect or not, I know as soon as I hit the bud if the THC content is high or not just by the feelings in my lungs.

Also, to these other posters responding to my posts, I never once claimed to know more than anyone else or be a big shot smoker, I mean really who gives a shit? I don't know anyone of you, so i couldn't care less what you think.

This placebo bullshit is what is wrong

[RelaxaBIT]

Lmao.. No one uses l33t smoker. Sorry, I guess it went over your head, but it was me making fun of people like you. And I quote:


Yeah, that's some authority you've got there with your 7 years experience, Mr. l33t Smoker. I hope you enjoy yourself when you tell your dealer how you took two hits of his shit and you were gone, "Sooo worth it!" and he silently laughs because he knows it's a scam.

But feel free to laugh and pretend like you have any kind of argument.. People like you get ripped off daily and think they're in heaven with slightly more potent weed. Oh, it's sticky? I'll pay even more for it! Who cares if I'm getting even less than I should because it wasn't properly dried? Come to think of it, I disproved almost every argument you made. I guess somebody got a little embarrassed .

That's okay. There are going to be a lot of embarrassed l33t smokers, like yourself, when we can finally cut through the ignorance in the world's stoner community and combat exploitation of naive customers, also like yourself.

If anyone else wants to chime in with an objective explanation, please do... Like I said before, this is the #2 listing on a google search for "commercial weed," so it's the best place to get this figured out.

(P.S. I've been smoking for 6 years, almost 7.)

ust because you talk out your ass doesn't mean you make any sense. You havent disproven anything I have said, are you serious here? LOL! you have made a objective response but you haven't disproven shit dude, try again though... And I think it's just so funny you know me so well.. who woulda knew? you just know everything don't you?! You are just sooo damn smart and cool dude, I wish I could be just like you. seriously, as cool and everything. God, you are just too fucking cool.

[RelaxaBIT]

I do agree that the prices are way inflated, so grow your own and you'll be spending the same amount on an oz of your own as you would be on buying shwag, assuming you have some skill and know what's necessary to get and what's not in regards to equipment & nutrients & all.

I to agree prices are inflated, I never said they weren't. But I don't agree with what this poster is saying. He is basically saying you only buy dro and dank because It's pretty and "sticky" and not because it gets you any higher or have any differen't effects than the mids or brick weed. He's saying it's all in your head.. You are wasting your money buying the higher quality stuff because it's no different and it's just the "placebo effect" kicking in.. I'm sorry but I know this is wrong, and i'll argue this until I die... Anyone who honestly thinks this, has no idea what they are talking about.