(pics)PH problem plants + form

[TheXFactor]

E-indoor
E-soil
E-2-4 gallon plasitic buckets
CSL-Happyfrog, some has extra perlite, some with clay balls on bottom. all have clay balls on top to help maximize soil use.
SCL-perlite.
SCLR-slab ph, some are as high as 7.5 and others are around 7.
E-tap water.
E-7.6 ph (i now have a meter and i lower it to around 6.4.
E-Age of plant, 1 month.
E-botanicare, pure blend. veg cycle, 2-1.5-3 or something like that.
E- flushed yesterday with PH'd water. but every 3-5 days as needed in the morning(beg of light cycle)
E-Lighting source and distance from plant 18-26 inches. 400w mh.
E-Air temperature 79-81 day, and 74 at night.
HD-Reservoir temperature.. a little bit lower im guessing.
E-Air % Relative humidity, humidity is at a constant 40%(anyone want to breif me as to how this seem to be so naturaly regulated? i seen it get higher after i water and it evaporates but it always settels at 40%)
E- 18/6
E-Type of ventilation your room has, an occilating fan, and a fan sucking air out.
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution? no

heres the pics of my hawaiiXskunk by nirvana.

one looks good (i began LST today on one, as it was getting too tall and out pacing the others.) and the other one was the better looking a few days ago but the LST one has surpassed it but still showing signs of burn or lockout. of need of nute. or phosphorus def, or potassium, i forgot which one i narrowed it down to. which can then be a ph problem.. which it most likely is. given the 7.8 read yesterday that i hope i was able to bring down to 7.1 today.

TheXFactor Reviewed by TheXFactor on 11-21-2008. (pics)PH problem plants + form E-indoor E-soil E-2-4 gallon plasitic buckets CSL-Happyfrog, some has extra perlite, some with clay balls on bottom. all have clay balls on top to help maximize soil use. SCL-perlite. SCLR-slab ph, some are as high as 7.5 and others are around 7. E-tap water. E-7.6 ph (i now have a meter and i lower it to around 6.4. E-Age of plant, 1 month. E-botanicare, pure blend. veg cycle, 2-1.5-3 or something like that. Rating: 5

[TheXFactor]

heres the pics of some female seeds a friend gave me... i dont knwo the strain but the ph generalized problem i see here is the purple/red stems, the blueish outside of the leaves with light green in the middle.. also the claw leaf/ washboard type leaves... there is one plant i cut of a big fan leaf to help give good light to the newer growth underneath...

ive been watering with 6.3-6.5 ph water. for 2 days now, before that it was about 7.5 ph water, for one month... imho they are looking pretty good for having been in such an alkaline enviroment.

also both were topped at 4th node, and i dont know if it contributed to the problem but i have now created a very bushy plant. should it continue growing.

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and heres the final nlXhaze.


looking good except for a few leaves, that have few holes in them, i think from the ph being too high.. and the lower leaves yellowing as u can see.. the one leaf u will see is the worst one yet...

also most of the leaves at some point, get these little wrinkles, up the entire leaf.. as if they are dry... maybe ya can see it. little zigzags.(this is with all the plants) i think it might be from the light being too close. but always atleast 18inches away with a fan on 24/7

[TheXFactor]

bump..

[Weedhound]

i'll bet fifty to one that your issue is coming from those "clay balls" normally called hydroton for hydro growers

They MUST be presoaked.....usually for several days to lower ph as normally their ph is in the sevens.

Get the hydroton out I'm sure that's what's causing your problem and it WILL continue until they are gone.

Good luck

[TheXFactor]

i'll bet fifty to one that your issue is coming from those "clay balls" normally called hydroton for hydro growers

They MUST be presoaked.....usually for several days to lower ph as normally their ph is in the sevens.

Get the hydroton out I'm sure that's what's causing your problem and it WILL continue until they are gone.

Good luck

can u please explain how i might get them out?, i can cut the bottom off the container, and somehow replant it. but the roots havent taken over the soil yet so i cant really transplant it without tearing a bunch of roots.

i did some reading elsewhere and they were explained as great for on the bottom of soil, to give them water and air. if stinky agrees with you ill remove it..

until stinky gets around, ill maintain the 18/6, water with ph'd 6.3 with no food only once the soil drys out a lot.

[stinkyattic]

Forget about the ones on the bottom. Get the ones off the top. Replace them with perlite if covering the soil surface is important to you. Then make sure that you aren't lowering your fert pH TOO much.
You answered the res temp question... are you running a RES in a soil grow? Are you pre-mixing your nutes?
Do you have soft tap water?
How long have the plants been in those pots?

[TheXFactor]

Forget about the ones on the bottom. Get the ones off the top. Replace them with perlite if covering the soil surface is important to you. Then make sure that you aren't lowering your fert pH TOO much.
You answered the res temp question... are you running a RES in a soil grow? Are you pre-mixing your nutes?
Do you have soft tap water?
How long have the plants been in those pots?

plants those pot for about 1 week, and others in the 2 gallon pots about 4 days.

no res as of yet, i have been thinking about but i have been using gallon jugs. that i leave outside next to the tent, so its room temp maybe a little cooler..

water is very soft... ph is around 7.5-8.

im thinking the res might just be one more thing that can go wrong so i havent gone there yet.. like any mechanic says, the more moving parts, the better the chance of a failure. so i figure, tent, soil, lamp, air, and the water is the one thing i havent maintained, imagine and its broken..

after the flush i fed with half strength, pure blend gro bontanicare nute 2-1-3

not that covering the soil is important to "me" but i read it can help make use of top layer of soil.(stink is this true or not really? and i earlier went prodded through the soil about an inch barely to check moisture and there was a root i uncovered... atleast on 1 -2 plants, i dont see the need to stick my fingers in every single one, if they all look the same.

perlite it is. unless u think i dont even need it..., then i will just remove the clay balls.

now as for the health of the plant and how do they look?

i'll post more pics 2morrow to give u all an idea of the change.

Stinky,

would the hyroton balls cause the ph to spike? like i am seeing?

if i keep watering with 6.5ph water, will that be enough to bring the ph of the soil down, if the flush of 1 gallon i gave the other day didnt completely work to lower the ph..

now if i shocked them with the rapid change of ph how will this affect them.

how much longer should a rebound take should things be okay.., would basicaly one dry cycle and then one more watering be the trick?

[TheXFactor]

bump

[stinkyattic]

The untreated hydroton can cause a pH spike.
Are you pre-mixing your nutes? You don't use a reservoir in a soil grow unless you are doing a drip on a timer but even then you have to be 100% certain that your nutes are stable in the res. I've just recently worked on a grow where the pH problem was actually being exacerbated by a grower who pre-mixed her nutes in gallon jugs and over time the pH was dropping.