thanks guys im goin to use a hortilux eye for veg 250 watt and a phillips ceramic hps 250 watt for flower and i dont use any ferts durin veg they seem to do fine until flower im gonna try the beastie blooms powder mix.then slowely add malasses to the feed.thanks for the input guys and still any input is appreciated still havnt started construction yet thats why i want all the help i can get that way it will be better in the end.later