Why I, an ultra-liberal, oppose abortion

[BeefsMyFav]

There is a much greater chance that an unwanted child will turn out to be a mass murderer, than a great leader, scientist, or teacher.

Really? says who? you? is there any data that proves this?

Nobody should be forced to carry a fetus to term if they do not want to bear children. If the fetus' that became Hitler and Stalin had been flushed down the toilet, the world would have avoided much misery.

On the other hand we've probably already flushed the cures for cancer and hiv down the toilet

And no one is "forced" to carry a fetus, the person chose to take part in the act that creates the fetus most likely knowing the possible outcomes....rape possibly a different story

[iamapatient]

It would certainly make some women and men take contraception a bit more seriously.


And nosepicking.

Only if tax payers don't have to "pick" up the bill. There'd be less people against abortion if tax payers didn't have to fund it...

[Breukelen advocaat]

Really? says who? you? is there any data that proves this?
No "data" is even necessary. The world already has many more idiots, than really great people. To think that we'll be better off with more unhappiness does not make sense.

On the other hand we've probably already flushed the cures for cancer and hiv down the toilet
Do you really think that having a more crowded world would result in advancement of the sciences, and less medical problems? I believe that the opposite is true.

And no one is "forced" to carry a fetus, the person chose to take part in the act that creates the fetus most likely knowing the possible outcomes....rape possibly a different story

If birth control fails, then abortion is the next logical step. Additionally, people's situations change: Loss of job, divorce, illness, and many other factors contribute to the reasons that people decide to terminate a pregnancy.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Where would we be as a people if the mothers of Jesus, Budah or any other great spiritual leader went and got an abortion?
What if we inadvertantly killed the zygoat that was ment to reawaken the human mind or cure cancer or aids?
You play with fire you get burnt. There are many childless couples that would love to raise a child ( like myself and my wife) and get sick when we hear of abortion.
Abortion is the rape of a humans potential greatness.
Who knows maybe someone could have grown up to creat the next super duper skunk strain. but oh well he/she is fertilizer in the land fill.

No offense is intended in this statement, however, sticking spirituality into physical laws is arrogant sir.


Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi, whoever have you, was a spirit, not a fucking embryo. ANY body will do for the spiritual goals!

the spirit destined to save humanity is humanity itself. we are responsible for only our selves, and to think that we can be saved by another outside influence is not only weak, but the only reason we might ever need an outside influence to save us!

given than detrimental logic, there will be no outside force to save ourselves. we must save ourselves, BY ourselves, by HELPING EACH OTHER.


no amount of abortions can prevent a particular soul from entering into life, if that particular soul is truly intended to exist.


the only rape of the human potential is what the individual chooses to ignore in the individual's own life.

[GoldenBoy812]

Being the classical liberal that i am, i tend to support the option for a woman to have an abortion. Yet...

Being the republican that i am, states rights are very important to me. This is why i believe Roe vs. Wade should be overturned.

Its not that i believe in circumstances, but more so that a person should not have an issue as sensitive as abortion thrown down their throat if you are an American citizen. Here we as citizens of this great country have the opportunnity to move a thousand miles in another direction if we please, therefore if yo do not believe in the laws of your state, move to one that suits your beliefs.

Democracy begins and ends with the states. What better way is there to bring more dilligence to the electoral college. I mean, they have robbed you of your vice president and senate, this just evens things up...

[JakeMartinez]

You know, the argument that "She knew what she was getting in to when she was having sex" is essentially a way of punishing women for not being able to say no to sex, or a guy saying "Come on, honey, can't we go bareback just this once?". That's great. I know anecdotal evidence doesn't amount to shit for most people, but most of the women I know have been forced into sex multiple times by their boyfriends.

Just because she didn't say "no" and didn't close her legs doesn't mean that she's a whore or that she was a willing participant. Many women don't know how to say no to a man in the bedroom, ESPECIALLY rape victims (odd paradox, isn't it?).

Anyway, the point of that is that I believe it's a woman's right to choose whether or not to abort a pregnancy.

The child has just as much a chance of growing up to be a "bad" person as it does to grow up and be a "good" person, so that's a dead argument.

And, personally, I don't believe life begins until brain activity starts...anyone know when that happens during a pregnancy?

[maladroit]

hey GB

what is the highest priority: state rights or individual rights?

[DaBudhaStank]

Well well, I'm glad to see everyone's doing well here! haha!

[overgrowthegovt]

All pretty solid arguments, people, but I think we can all probably agree on a stance against late-term or partial-birth abortions....I had an EXTREMELY heated argument with my roommate on this one, since he says there's nothing wrong with having an abortion the day before it's due.

Now, try and defend THAT one, please. Perhaps life doesn't begin as soon as the sperm hits the eggs, but it definitely begins somewhere in the womb.

[DaBudhaStank]

All pretty solid arguments, people, but I think we can all probably agree on a stance against late-term or partial-birth abortions....I had an EXTREMELY heated argument with my roommate on this one, since he says there's nothing wrong with having an abortion the day before it's due.

Now, try and defend THAT one, please. Perhaps life doesn't begin as soon as the sperm hits the eggs, but it definitely begins somewhere in the womb.

True that mate. I'm pro-choice but god DAMN, if someone really wants to cut a 6 pound body out of themselves, they really need help. Jesus, even getting thrown down the stairs halfway through is better than THAT, and that's sad. But then, I'm all for contraception. Don't want a baby? Pretty easy to avoid it; use a rubber or get on birth control (just make sure you take it right, nothing worse than fucking a girl and having her say "Did I take my pill today? .....yeah, probably.")