First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"

[Dogznova]

Update "Tub O Clones"

This is 4 full weeks of flowering. We cut alot of the fan leaves off.
They look to be on schedule so far.

[Dogznova]

Update "Tub o Clones 2"

These are 2 full weeks of flowering. They look better then they would of if we did a standerd 12/12 flowering. :thumbsup:

[salmayo]

If they start to slow in growth. Should the PAD light (on time) go up or down?

The PAD light on time should go up, by swapping more PAD on time for SID (lights off) darkness time. (swapping PAD on time for the HPS time would have the opposite affect).

[salmayo]

The PAD light on time should go up, by swapping more PAD on time for SID (lights off) darkness time. (swapping PAD on time for the HPS time would have the opposite affect).

If the growth rate seems to be too slow that is.

If you thought that that flowering wasn't proceeding enough, then you would swap out PAD for HPS time.

(I just reread that last post and I hadn't qualified my statement.)

The #2 batch that's been in flowering for 2 weeks looks a little late to me, but I haven't grown that strain, and I'm used to getting faster results than most by accellerating Artificial Light growth with Far Red or Rauber's methods.

Dog, what are the dimensions of your growing area? I'm trying to get a feel for the dimensions I'm looking at in your pictures.

[Dogznova]

I know I should of put the room dimensions in a earlier post. Sorry my bad

Both of the rooms are 3x3. Both areas have light movers. Both areas have a 400 watt digital HPS/MH systems and both have the same PAD light set ups. 4 25w red inc's and 2 13w red cfl's. Both areas have milar witch I am going to get my uncle to change by the way to white plastic.

Yes from my past experience with this strain the tub #2 is exactly on schedule with a standard 12/12 type of flowering. This strain picks up steam about half way through. Unfortunately we would be getting a better result (bigger flowers) if the tubs were being done using a hydro type of grow. Dirt is just alot easer for us right now.

HERE IS A DISCLAIMER !!!! :thumbsup:

All pic's before "tub o clones" and "tub o clones 2" were in a drip hydro set up.The hydro pic's will have bigger buds I'm afraid... Sorry for any confusion. One of my goals is to get our dirt setup to yield as much as the drip hydro setup did.. I know it's a tall order. Just thought I would throw that paragraph in there.

The (growth) with tub #2 seems to be better this way IMO. We are defiantly getting better results then if we were running 10 hps on and 14 SID. We have tried that before with this strain and got much smaller results. We have been struggling with the yield with this Hybrid blueberry strain from day one. On a standard type of flower. My uncle and I have found 11.5 hours to be the best amount of HPS on time for yield. Even then it's just a so so yield IMO. The quality on the other hand will knock over even the most seasoned pro. With my uncle it's not so much about yield for him.

[salmayo]

The (growth) with tub #2 seems to be better this way IMO. We are defiantly getting better results then if we were running 10 hps on and 14 SID. We have tried that before with this strain and got much smaller results. We have been struggling with the yield with this Hybrid blueberry strain from day one. On a standard type of flower. My uncle and I have found 11.5 hours to be the best amount of HPS on time for yield. Even then it's just a so so yield IMO. The quality on the other hand will knock over even the most seasoned pro. With my uncle it's not so much about yield for him.

"That's what I'MMM TALKIN' ABOUT!" - Rauber's responce when I passed your info on to him.

Most growers have never taken the time to explore away from 12/12, so we are duely impressed with your 11.5/12.5 info.

I also think most 12/12 strains (bred with strong outdoor genetics), do better on an 11.5/12.5 schedule. I spend most of my time on the first grow "getting to know" a strain dialling into what it WANTs in the way of timing (it's one of the reasons I feel so strongly that people should learn to do this and why it's at the core of the Martian Method).

I'm a quality guy myself (way too spoilled in the know to worry about yield at this point in my grow). I often have to think in terms of converting/relating to 12/12, since I'm so used to doing 11/13 Sativas.

I'm going to do a standard 12/12 plant demo or two here pretty soon, just so I can rock a plant with a little more relativity for most growers!

What do you think of the trichome production on your current #1 TOC batch? Properly Pumped PAD using Rauber's Method drives incredible trichome production (Oh Man, I can't wait for Halloween! Gonna blow people's minds).

Also, with your set-up, would CFLs be better for you than 2 Foot Fluorescent tubes? We're doing 4 Foot and 2 Foot Floros now, but Rauber wanted to know what you can comfortably do before he emailed you on it.

Keep up the good work Dog!

I'll try to get Rauber to get that email out to you this weekend (been swamped).

Take Care, Sal.

[Dogznova]

Most growers have never taken the time to explore away from 12/12, so we are duely impressed with your 11.5/12.5 info.

I also think most 12/12 strains (bred with strong outdoor genetics), do better on an 11.5/12.5 schedule. I spend most of my time on the first grow "getting to know" a strain dialling into what it WANTs in the way of timing (it's one of the reasons I feel so strongly that people should learn to do this and why it's at the core of the Martian Method)..

It took about a year when my uncle first got this strain to figure out his best Standard HPS flowering schedule.

The first time we did any Martian stuff we had the HPS on time at 11.5 I think. Until we ramped up the PAD lights (on time) and (wattage). Then just after day 21 of flowering we were running 11 hours HPS on and 11 hours PAD on with our biggest results to date. We just didn't do the ripening part correctly IMO. Sure we got the biggest flowers that way but at 9 full weeks the hairs were only 20% dark. The product was still good but not quite done. When my uncle does a standard 11.5/12.5 flower, at 9 full weeks of flowering the hairs are abut 90% dark and the product is near couch lock.

I'm going to do a standard 12/12 plant demo or two here pretty soon, just so I can rock a plant with a little more relativity for most growers!.

Will we be able to see the results here ?

What do you think of the trichome production on your current #1 TOC batch? Properly Pumped PAD using Rauber's Method drives incredible trichome production (Oh Man, I can't wait for Halloween! Gonna blow people's minds)..

The key words here are "Properly Pumped PAD lights" and "Rauber's Method" LOL

The trichome production for us only using 10 hours of HPS and 3 hours of red PAD lights is very good.

When we did the 11 hours of PAD (on time) there was defiantly more trichome production.

Also, with your set-up, would CFLs be better for you than 2 Foot Fluorescent tubes? We're doing 4 Foot and 2 Foot Floros now, but Rauber wanted to know what you can comfortably do before he emailed you on it..

Both areas are setup for CFL or INC top lighting hanging off the hoods on light movers. One of the areas could do both top lighting with CFL/INC and side lighting w/2 Foot Fluorescent tubes. Unfortunately one of the areas can't do any Fluorescent side lighting at all. Also because of the size of the HID hoods nether of the areas could do Fluorescent tube top lighting with the HPS.

I'll try to get Rauber to get that email out to you this weekend (been swamped)

Sounds good.

[salmayo]

It took about a year when my uncle first got this strain to figure out his best Standard HPS flowering schedule.

That's why I think it's vitally important that the average Med Grower be given good genetics and the information on them to grow. With propper breeding any strain can be manipulated to give a grow optimized 12/12 performance, and in the future I think standardization will bring about much better genetics in this respect. I also think that standardization will make it manditory for 11.5/12.5 + flowering finish time type information to be supplied with the seeds/clones.

With you and your uncle, given the level of experience and performance that you're at, it was a year well spent. Well Done!

The first time we did any Martian stuff we had the HPS on time at 11.5 I think. Until we ramped up the PAD lights (on time) and (wattage). Then just after day 21 of flowering we were running 11 hours HPS on and 11 hours PAD on with our biggest results to date. We just didn't do the ripening part correctly IMO. Sure we got the biggest flowers that way but at 9 full weeks the hairs were only 20% dark. The product was still good but not quite done. When my uncle does a standard 11.5/12.5 flower, at 9 full weeks of flowering the hairs are abut 90% dark and the product is near couch lock.

My personal take on trichome/flower developement leans more towards the 420 zone for economy, efficiency and quality, but for your using 11 hours of PAD for the first time that was a damn good run. And yeh, the time spent dialing in the schedule did delay the hairs. The first run with a new strain, I use the 50% dark/dried/witherred hairs stage as a signal that it's time to increase SID (~cut back the light cycle) for ripenning, then I watch the trichome color a bit as well, but I'm more of a wrinkled clear gland head kinda guy than most (amber trich) people. I'm more into the more head less lock resin profile. At amber, my Sativas seem overdone, and at brown even they're lock down.

Week nine of Tub O Clones will be very interesting. I'm looking forward to it. :thumbsup:

I wont be able to release my 12/12 project until after Halloween, since I'm gonna use a couple of the more advanced methods, but I might be bringing it out right after then. Just like the Martian bug, once bitten by the more advanced stuff (Rauber's), they're is really no going back. I'm too spoiled to due without it now (That's right ladies, that bastard ruined me! And you know the rules, now he has to spoil me in the manner to witch I wish to become accustommed).

The trichome production for us only using 10 hours of HPS and 3 hours of red PAD lights is very good.

When we did the 11 hours of PAD (on time) there was defiantly more trichome production.

As long as it's done within the right spectral ranges, PAD contributes to "Better Than SID and SAL" trichome and flower production. And, taking the knowledge from PAD and applying it to PAL/SAL, just as with PAD and SID, gives better results in the Light as well as the Dark parts of the flowering schedule cycles. It always seems like there's "just one more dimension" to mention with the full knowledge we now have. (Full Endarkenment has led to Full Enlightenment.)

Both areas are setup for CFL or INC top lighting hanging off the hoods on light movers. One of the areas could do both top lighting with CFL/INC and side lighting w/2 Foot Fluorescent tubes. Unfortunately one of the areas can't do any Fluorescent side lighting at all. Also because of the size of the HID hoods nether of the areas could do Fluorescent tube top lighting with the HPS.

Got it! That's exactly the thing Rauber will want to know. How many 2 Foots do you think it can do and on which sides? (Two opposite side walls would probably be best, but it's about what people can do, so let us know.)

Keep up the good work.

Take Care, Sal.

[Dogznova]

Got it! That's exactly the thing Rauber will want to know. How many 2 Foots do you think it can do and on which sides? (Two opposite side walls would probably be best, but it's about what people can do, so let us know.).

We can run 2 foot tubs on three of the walls in that area. How many? As many as you would see fit. I would like to still use our current top PAD lighting setup also.

Here is a pic of our current HID hood and PAD light setup in that area.

[Dogznova]

Week 5 flower update TOC #1

Things are starting to look good. :thumbsup: