First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"

[salmayo]

Sal I got another question for ya. Have you looked into ceramic infrared heat emitter lamps that are used for reptiles to provide a far red - infrared source during the SID?

The sensitivity of the plants is primarily in the Far Red 700nm to 800nm range, while Infra Red is primarily above the 800nm range. So while there might some benefit to using a Infra Red emitter, the benefits per watt would be less than using a source with more Far Red emmisson.

Infra Red LEDs are much cheaper than Far Red LEDs, but no one uses the Infra Red LEDs for plant growth due to the lack of responce compared to the more costly Far Red LEDs.

Dollar for dollar, regular clear and colorred incandescent lamps are a much better investment than Infra Red Reptile emitters.

I'll get that email out to you soon. I just have a few other things I gotta get done first. Sorry for the delay on that.

Take Care, Sal.

[Dogznova]

Thanks sal... You the man :thumbsup:

[billyjojimbob11]

Sal, don't you think the halogen is more efficient in the red, farred, and Infarred than the Incan?

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[Dogznova]

Sal, don't you think the halogen is more efficient in the red, farred, and Infarred than the Incan?

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Halogen does seem to be more efficient in those areas but halogen lights would only be able to be used during your (blue light) on time or your clear INC on time. Halogen lights go to far below 500 nm to replace PAD lights such as red,orange,yellow,black and (green with a filter) INC's. Hope that helps. I'm sure Sal will post a better explanation then I. :thumbsup:

[salmayo]

Sal, don't you think the halogen is more efficient in the red, farred, and Infarred than the Incan?

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Yes they most certainly do, but in my conception at least the Halogen is an Incandescent, just a better version of one, and I would in fact refer to it as a Halogen Incandescent or Incandescent Halogen lamps, not to mention Quartz Halogen lamps witch are the same thing only then their hyping the envelope material. I think marketting of "Halogen" lamps is a bit pumped up since they are barrowing a bit from (metal) Halide fame, before the "Halogen" marketting hit the automotive industry, "Quartz" bulbs were the best and often considered reserved for only high performance applications like motorcycle and 4X4 Off Road Vehicle lamps, but then again they Quartz bulbs, just the better ones.

But, I also agree with Dogznova somewhat, since he makes an excellent point:

Halogen does seem to be more efficient in those areas but halogen lights would only be able to be used during your (blue light) on time or your clear INC on time. Halogen lights go to far below 500 nm to replace PAD lights such as red,orange,yellow,black and (green with a filter) INC's. Hope that helps. I'm sure Sal will post a better explanation then I. :thumbsup:

I agree that the over the counter colorred "Party" bulbs are the cheapest and easiest Far Red PAD sources you can ahold of, but once you've got the PAD bug moving on to a more advance set-up allows you to use more efficient sources with better cooling provisions.

I do use Halogen's as much as possible and since I'm a huge fan of air cooled hoods and cool tubes, and I use sealed (ducted) air cooled hoods as much as possible while running Incandescent (~Halogen) type Far Red sources.

So BillyJoJimBob, I'm sorry if I left some confusion as to the desirability of Halogen sources verses standard Inc.'s, but again I consider them the same thing basically and colorred Halogen's aren't out there at the moment and I doubt they ever will be (no serious demand). Even the better collored Reptile Far Red bulbs are just better quality glass Inc.s, but if Halogen colorred bulbs do come out, I bet they'll probably be top of the line Reptile lamps.

[billyjojimbob11]

Actually this is the one I use. Should filter out all of the 400-500nm?
Your thoughts?
Color PAR 20 Halogen Light Bulb 130V 50W Narrow Flood Red, Case of 15
There are many more on the market, Am I not filtering my blues?
Used with Leds in the dark

[billyjojimbob11]

BTW, I use this cockelbur method with a procyon.
Im using the "E" method on this chart. hours 18-24

[Weezard]

Nice chart BJJJB :thumbsup:

Got a link where I can browse the rest of that info?

Mahalo,
Weezard

[billyjojimbob11]

Fo sho!
Photoperiodism
also do a google image search for photoperiodism.
You will find a wealth of info.

[salmayo]

I had such a nice wordy post on this for you, but the server got busy and kicked me off and I lost it.

Actually this is the one I use. Should filter out all of the 400-500nm?
Your thoughts?
Color PAR 20 Halogen Light Bulb 130V 50W Narrow Flood Red, Case of 15
There are many more on the market, Am I not filtering my blues?
Used with Leds in the dark

Gotta run, so really short version:

Actually those can have problems, due to light leakage through the dichroic reflectors used on the these kind of bulbs. And they are harder to block any light leaks on due to their higher operating tempertures.

I'd check them by looking through a Blue filter for any glow they might put off in the Blue wavelengths, but then again I'd check that when setting up any PAD system sources.

I'm late, hope that leaves you with more questions than answers. Gotta run.

Take Care, Sal.