Post#172
Quote Originally Posted by Dogznova
Sal... In our 5 hours of AD I want to get different colored INC's into the mix..Black,Red,Yellow,Orange,Clear. I think I read on one of your TY post you were talking about black lights for the first 1/2 hour to 1 hour of AD. How do you still feel about that? Has it changed to clear INC's. I'm thinking we need more then red INC's only during the AD. So with your guidance I would like to introduce a different mix of INC's this next time. Black or clear for the first hour then red, orange, yellow INC's for 4 hours then 9 hours SID.

guidance please...:thumbsup:
Just as with Mother's grow here, LET THE PLANTS RESPONCES GUIDE YOU. (Just like I would with any other strain and grow method, if the strain is taking longer than you want to finish, INCREASE THE SID TIME to ripen the plant up faster, just like when people use 10/14 to finish their plants the last 10 days or so before harvest, but it's better to use the right time for the plant during the main duration of your flowering phase.)

The Martian Method is a Qualitative Approach to Growing, let the plants Qualities Guide you to providing it with what it WANTS/NEEDS. For instance some plant have more demanding nutrient needs either up or down sometimes and we diagnose the plant according to it's behavior (not ours). Projections are just the same type of info we'd get from the first grow experience with an unkown strain, the difference is we're using math instead of a growing experience to point us in the right direction.

I take this approach for granted since I grow Sativas indoors and they have regular SID timings of 11.5/12.5, 11/13, 10.5/13.5 and so forth, depending on the strain, so I used to setting the timing for a particular plant according to it's behavior the first crop I GET TO KNOW IT, and then the second crop tends to be much better thanks to the notes I take during the first time arround.

The main point of what we are teaching you at this point is HOW to set your timer, not WHERE to set it! We tell you where, but strains can differ, and you need to know this (I'm sure people will blame the timer projection if they don't get the results they want, but would you blame your 12/12 SID timing method as being at fault, if you had a strain that liked 11.5/12.5 or 11/13 better???) We start you off with a projected timer schedule based on AD/SID (Artificial Darkness / Standard Indoor Darkness) calculations, and THEN the plant can tell you how to set your timer up or down a bit as dictated by plant genetics. I take this for granted a lot, since I am used to doing it with every new strain I try, learn a bit about, and dial in.

I know it seems like I'm leaving you hanging for info sometime (~all the time), but that's kind of the point. You need to interpret the plant once the math is done.

Note that you got better information, from asking a better question (somewhat) and the more information you get the better you can do this, but having more information is not as important as ASKING A BETTER QUESTION! Science is moving faster and faster these days, but it isn't because we have better measuring devices or information per se. It is that NOW we are asking better questions as a tool in itself, which is a Qualitative difference in HOW we ask questions. Knowing how to ask better questions and having better questions, that is providing us with better answers these days. It's a Qualitative advance in thinking, not measuring. Hail Dr. Demming!

You did, of course, pick up a valuable piece of information on the Photoequalibrium adjustment (readjustment) lag, which is more pronounced with larger changes in the Photoequalibrium levels. The change takes the same amount of time to occur, but the amount of time manifesting itself as the time difference experience by the plant is more an average of the two Time Factors involved over the duration that the change occurs.

Brain hurt yet??? The simple version is better for most growers who don't need to know HOW it works, just HOW long, so we just tell people to add a little time for Photoequalibrium changes to SID.

Changes between one Photosynthetic spectrum and another are very rapid (assuming the light level isn't too dim). So only worry about the time lag at NIGHTFALL (sunset, lights out, ect.). We call it NIGHTFALLING!

Even inventing our own descriptive language is fun about this stuff, since it's a Virgin Science WE CREATED and just like naming an invention, we get to name new processes and theories we develope. For instance, RAUBER uses the term PAD not AD, for Photosynthetic Artificial Darkness, since he feels the terms Artificial Darkness (AD) and Virtual Darkness (VD, ewh!) are being already prevelently being used to describe SID, which is NOT Artificial nor Virtual by definition since SID occurs Naturally in Cave, and the terms Artificial basically means unnatural and man made, and the term virtual basically means unreal and non-existant, but SID occurs Naturally in CAVES, is REAL (in Nature) and Exists (in Nature).

We use SID because it is ONE spectrum (just as Zero is ONE number), whereas SOD is a family of spectrums (just as integers are a family of numbers). Using SID as one spectrum for reference allows us to standardize our references to it easily, while using SOD (Standard Outdoor Darkness spectrums! PLURAL!!!) would be much more complicated and pretty much impossible to use as a standard.

Gotta take a break! (YOU KNOW YOU NEED IT!!!)

Take Care, Sal.
salmayo Reviewed by salmayo on . First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method" In order to keep track of events, at the request of some online friends, and in order to share the love with the rest of the cannabis community, I'm starting my first grow log using the Martian Method, which I learned about from a very helpful Salmayo, here: http://www..com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=30203&highlight=Martian and it has also been discussed in another thread on this board, starting at post 1438: http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/150174-perfect-led-grow-light-58.html Rating: 5