Finally got caught up on archiving this thread, WITH ALL THE LOST POSTS, at TY, but missing a picture or two from the lost posts.

Now I'm reading the new posts and getting caught back up with you folks.

Post#149 (just keeping track).
Quote Originally Posted by Mother
I AM I googled some of your names, but I couldn't find anything for you or sal or dogz, so I just hung out waiting for this site to resurrect itself.
If you want to find me Google, "Martian Method" cannabis , and it will list hits for TY and other sites I scan.

My email is salmayo@email ( d o t c o m ), which also should be available in my user info at TY.

Post#162 (just keeping track)
Quote Originally Posted by Dogznova
Here is pics from the last batch I was going post before the crash. These flowers were 5 weeks old and on a light schedule of 10/3/10/1. Basically 10 hours hps, 3 hours red inc/cfl (sun down), 10 hours SID, 1 hour red inc/cfl (sun up). The flowers under this schedule also finished up a week or so behind what they should of. Right now we are doing a batch on 12/12 normal hps and SID just to make sure something hasn't changed. The new batch dose seem to be back on schedule. It seems when ever we add red to the mix we also add to our flowering time. I think we are missing the correct amount of far red in the AD. Sal what do you think? We just can't seem to get the flowers to finish under the martian method at the same rate as SID would.
If I remember correctly you were the one who posted the 11/2 Time Factor estimate for 660nm red LEDs, which was nearly the same as the number (the original Time Factor we used) we use here at Temporal Photonics. If you basically use this same Time Factor then your SID equivalent Dark Hours estimate is (showing the math) : [(3+1)/(11/2)]+10 = [4/(11/2)]+10 = [8/11]+10 = [~.73]+10 = ~10.73 (approximately 10.73) hours of SID.

If you are going to use 10 hours SID, I personally would use the 12 hour SID target number minus 10 hours actual SID, leaving 2 hours of SID equivalent time to provide for. This leads us to project how much AD time needed for this, and again given your 11/2 Time Rate for 660nm LED as a guideline, then use the estimate AD of : 2*(11/2) = 22/2 = 11 hours of 660nm AD. Giving you a HPS time of : 24-(10+11) = 24-21 = 3 hours HPS.

Ooops! Forget that, I just reread your post and I obviously forgot you were using Red Inc.'s to. I'm leaving this Ooops math up there though, since it's a nice 660nm example and who knows how many more I'll get in.

So doing right for you, using mothers approximation of a Time Factor of 2. Right now you got 4/2 = 2 hours equivalent AD, plus 10 hours actual SID, giving you 12 hours total equivalent SID, which is right on target,

BUT you do loose about a quarter to a half hour of photoeqalibrium change over time for the phytochrome to get to it's SID operating level. In other words it takes a little time going from a Time Factor of 2 to a Time Factor of 1.

You can make this up by adding a quarter hour to a half hour of SID, or by adding a half hour to a hour of AD to the schedule. In other words trading a little more SID or AD for HPS time.

Hope that helps.

Gotta run.

I'll try and get caught back up ASAP, while archiving this awsome thread!

Take Care, Sal.