First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"

[Weezard]

Cool it's back. "CONGRATULATIONS MOTHER" :clap:

Yo, Dog

Howzit wit' Unk?

Weeze.

[Dogznova]

Here is pics from the last batch I was going post before the crash. These flowers were 5 weeks old and on a light schedule of 10/3/10/1. Basically 10 hours hps, 3 hours red inc/cfl (sun down), 10 hours SID, 1 hour red inc/cfl (sun up). The flowers under this schedule also finished up a week or so behind what they should of. Right now we are doing a batch on 12/12 normal hps and SID just to make sure something hasn't changed. The new batch dose seem to be back on schedule. It seems when ever we add red to the mix we also add to our flowering time. I think we are missing the correct amount of far red in the AD. Sal what do you think? We just can't seem to get the flowers to finish under the martian method at the same rate as SID would.

[Dogznova]

Weez it's good to see you all back.. I was gettin board. Looks like we lost some stuff. Good work on getting some of that back.:thumbsup:

[Mother]

Weez: I double-checked the 'ton bag, and I DID read it (whew!) -- there are no instructions (on the brand I got anyway). I guess that explains that. :thumbsup:

I have been getting some root rot (dark brown/black jelly-like junk collecting on the roots), so I swapped the small air pump for a big one (which I will change back out for two small ones once it's a proven setup) and changed the 4' flexible EcoAir rubber tube bubbler with two 8" air stones, and they look like they're putting out waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more air than the tube was. I'm sure the tube is fine for aquariums, but I say STAY AWAY for any serious hydro work. The bubbles are too big and don't come fast. Maybe a good choice for a cloner, since it makes bigger splashes at the surface than the stones.

It also looks like you got the best part of the loaf saved in your email. I got only crumbs:
If you Google 165934-first-attempt-24-hour-martian-method-6.html and click on 'cached' you'll get the full old page 6, but the stuff you got was on the old page 7, which Google doesn't have.

Dogz: even if they're late, they look beautiful to me. :thumbsup: What's the strain again?

Sal: Wow, thanks! I figured I was among the first of the public guinea pigs, but I didn't think I was a first at anything! As always, credits to you, Rauber, and the rest of your team (if there are more) for inventing it! I found a good quote yesterday:

Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.
- Arthur Schopenhauer

Y'all are definitely genius. And don't be shy about posting "irrelevant" stuff here (look at me talking hydro ). It's "my" thread only because it has to have an owner, but I feel like it's all of ours because without everybody's contribution, it wouldn't be the thread that it is.

By the way, to both Weez and Sal: can you email me? I have a question for Sal and I'd like to have your email contact info, Weez. I'm a "hunchback" and keep it just plain hush!

[Dogznova]

Dogz: even if they're late, they look beautiful to me. :thumbsup: What's the strain again?

Hi mother.. The plants are Blueberry from the Duch Passion seed co.

[salmayo]

I'm trying to compare all the posts to their Cache'd copies to see if there are any that might be saved as cache'd that are otherwise lost.

I just finished (reading and) archiving the first 100 posts of this thread (pictures but not inner quotes) over at my home site TY and will try to finish the whole thing by tomarrow evening if I can.

Weezard, if I can find any more missing gaps, any help you can give in restoring them will be greatly appreciated by us at Temporal Photonics and no doubt by postarity as well.

Hopefully I'll know the total damage by tomarrow night, and I'll try to have a missing post list of some sorts if I can, but I know that a post or two must be missing towards the end there (probably not enough hits to cache them I quess).

MOTHER -

The thread is located on TY as follows:

TY Online Community > Cultivation > Advanced Techniques & Experiments
4/20 ( MOTHER's PAD Beta Test Backup archive thread. )

Incase this one ever crash and burns, you can always register there and keep going.


Can't wait to get done and get some time to read your most recent stuff.

Till then.

Take Care All, Sal.

[Mother]

Well, there's good news and "bad" news.

The "bad" news is that this thread has wound nearly to its end, but that's because of the good news: all the plants are done!

They were close to being done before I added more AD time a couple of days ago, and I guess that's all they needed to finish up! Under the scope they're all completely cloudy with 10-15% amber, which is how I like it.

I'll take pictures before I chop them and of course a "qualitative analysis" of the end product will follow in about a week. :jointsmile:

And more good news, there will be a Martian Method trial #2 thread appearing shortly. This time it will be three Super Silver plants in a DWC hydro tub. They're from seed, so the flowering is for sex determination, but hopefully they'll turn out to be ladies.

[salmayo]

Finally got caught up on archiving this thread, WITH ALL THE LOST POSTS, at TY, but missing a picture or two from the lost posts.

Now I'm reading the new posts and getting caught back up with you folks.

Post#149 (just keeping track).

I AM I googled some of your names, but I couldn't find anything for you or sal or dogz, so I just hung out waiting for this site to resurrect itself.

If you want to find me Google, "Martian Method" cannabis , and it will list hits for TY and other sites I scan.

My email is salmayo@email ( d o t c o m ), which also should be available in my user info at TY.

Post#162 (just keeping track)

Here is pics from the last batch I was going post before the crash. These flowers were 5 weeks old and on a light schedule of 10/3/10/1. Basically 10 hours hps, 3 hours red inc/cfl (sun down), 10 hours SID, 1 hour red inc/cfl (sun up). The flowers under this schedule also finished up a week or so behind what they should of. Right now we are doing a batch on 12/12 normal hps and SID just to make sure something hasn't changed. The new batch dose seem to be back on schedule. It seems when ever we add red to the mix we also add to our flowering time. I think we are missing the correct amount of far red in the AD. Sal what do you think? We just can't seem to get the flowers to finish under the martian method at the same rate as SID would.

If I remember correctly you were the one who posted the 11/2 Time Factor estimate for 660nm red LEDs, which was nearly the same as the number (the original Time Factor we used) we use here at Temporal Photonics. If you basically use this same Time Factor then your SID equivalent Dark Hours estimate is (showing the math) : [(3+1)/(11/2)]+10 = [4/(11/2)]+10 = [8/11]+10 = [~.73]+10 = ~10.73 (approximately 10.73) hours of SID.

If you are going to use 10 hours SID, I personally would use the 12 hour SID target number minus 10 hours actual SID, leaving 2 hours of SID equivalent time to provide for. This leads us to project how much AD time needed for this, and again given your 11/2 Time Rate for 660nm LED as a guideline, then use the estimate AD of : 2*(11/2) = 22/2 = 11 hours of 660nm AD. Giving you a HPS time of : 24-(10+11) = 24-21 = 3 hours HPS.

Ooops! Forget that, I just reread your post and I obviously forgot you were using Red Inc.'s to. I'm leaving this Ooops math up there though, since it's a nice 660nm example and who knows how many more I'll get in.

So doing right for you, using mothers approximation of a Time Factor of 2. Right now you got 4/2 = 2 hours equivalent AD, plus 10 hours actual SID, giving you 12 hours total equivalent SID, which is right on target,

BUT you do loose about a quarter to a half hour of photoeqalibrium change over time for the phytochrome to get to it's SID operating level. In other words it takes a little time going from a Time Factor of 2 to a Time Factor of 1.

You can make this up by adding a quarter hour to a half hour of SID, or by adding a half hour to a hour of AD to the schedule. In other words trading a little more SID or AD for HPS time.

Hope that helps.

Gotta run.

I'll try and get caught back up ASAP, while archiving this awsome thread!

Take Care, Sal.

[salmayo]

Post #163

Weez it's good to see you all back.. I was gettin board. Looks like we lost some stuff. Good work on getting some of that back.:thumbsup:

Actually we got ALL the posts archived over at TY, except for most of the pictures from the lost precrash posts. It's under 4/20 ( MOTHER's PAD Beta Test Backup archive thread. )

If any of you can provide the pictures that got with the missing posts from this thread and can post them over on that thread, you'd be doing postarity a favor.

Post #164

By the way, to both Weez and Sal: can you email me? I have a question for Sal and I'd like to have your email contact info, Weez. I'm a "hunchback" and keep it just plain hush!

Here ya go:
[email protected]

You can also contact myself or the staff at:
Temporal Photonics
PO BOX 1454
Chico, CA 95927-1454

(You can ask for Rauber if I'm not arround, but a staffer will probably answer for him since he is having trouble with his vision these days. Ironically the World's leading expert on plant growth sprectrums is battling for his sight just as the World is just beginning to see his Bright and Shining Light!)

Post#165

Hi mother.. The plants are Blueberry from the Duch Passion seed co.

Dog, I don't suppose you could tell me how the Dutch Passion version compares to DJ Shorts? The Shorts is the best I've tried, but extremely hard to get locally.

Post#167

Well, there's good news and "bad" news.

The "bad" news is that this thread has wound nearly to its end, but that's because of the good news: all the plants are done!

They were close to being done before I added more AD time a couple of days ago, and I guess that's all they needed to finish up! Under the scope they're all completely cloudy with 10-15% amber, which is how I like it.

I'll take pictures before I chop them and of course a "qualitative analysis" of the end product will follow in about a week. :jointsmile:

And more good news, there will be a Martian Method trial #2 thread appearing shortly. This time it will be three Super Silver plants in a DWC hydro tub. They're from seed, so the flowering is for sex determination, but hopefully they'll turn out to be ladies.

Where has the time gone? Time flies when your having fun. ...It's About Time. ...It's About Fun!

I tend to take small sample along the way when dialling things in on the timers, so I usually don't worry about yield the first time arround (due to sampling abuses), but as long as the potency is there I consider the first results good and the second time arround I go for more yield while making sure the potency doesn't fall off as the SID time goes down.

The added Red Inc.'s (especially past the early flowering stretch phase) usually mean good potency and better than average trichome production (good spectrum), as long as the SID wasn't to short (good timing. ...It's About Time.) (I8E) (I A T)

Don't feel bad that it is over folks, just like with other grows the second time is better than the first and this time I'll be archiving Mother's new log over to TY right from the start so nothing gets lost again. I only wish I had done that this time and maybe could have put some patches back in this thread as soon as it came back up.

Can't wait for your eval on those lil gems Mother, and I look forward to your next attempt being bigger and better, if only less abused by all this delightful rough stuff!

Make sure to post a link to your new "Martian Method trial #2 thread" here so we all can find it!

Take Care, Sal.

[Weezard]

Hmmmm!


"Weez. I'm a "hunchback""

<sigh> You forget that I'm a simple half-baked 'zard.
Fo' you, prolly easy, fo' me it's too hard

You'll have to rep me a mo' betta clue.
Unless you're french and it starts with a Q.
(Lotta ways to spell Igor too.)

Leezards got a brain the size of a pot seed.:stoned:
Wee Lee Zard