I started in on this but decided to create a new thread here.
Why/how did Prop 8 win in CA? With Obama winning, dems out in force? Who'd a thunk?
I am really sick to death with hearing the cry baby shit about it. This is why,


Quote Originally Posted by Biggins
We didn't just "get" the law, we actually put it through ourselves through initiative. Government actually worked.... scary

OK,
I just wanted to take this moment to completely derail this thread, I am sorry.

I don't think that initiative referendum is a good thing, but that aside, you have it as do I, and you (you people in michigan) used it. Great, now let me ask you this.
How would you feel if 4 state supreme court activists judges overturned it and made MMJ illegal again?

You would not be very happy, nor should you be. Nor really should the people that oppose MMJ, simply because if you allow activist judges to legislate from the bench, you might as well not have any other legislative process period. Whose to say that at some point in the future some other activist judges overturn it again, and so on?

This happened here in CA.

So, putting it that way, do some of you here understand fundamentally why someone like myself would support Prop 8, to me, the issue of allowing activist judges to legislate directly from the bench, is a much more significant issue, than gay marriage.
Personally I could care less if the state of CA wants to "give" a special rights to anyone, personally, I fail to see how "getting married" is a preserved or garuanteed right? Are you kidding me?
But that aside, I realize that there is alot of, "oh it was the bible thumpers, blah whatever", I can't help but wonder if it wasn't just that most people realized that the end does not justify the means. The gay community should just pass a constitutional amendment in the next election. They just need 6-700K signatures, with money that is no problem. Look at some of the crap that got the required signatures, a fucking joke.
But gay marriage activists should not be satisfied with getting what they wanted via un-legit/unconstitutional means. Who would want that? At the same time, I would not support it if some crazy activist judges declared cannabis legal period here in CA. Think about it, once we allow judges to do this, where does it end? These powers are not given to them.

So when I explain this to folks, I get alot of glazed over deer in the headlights looks.
Someone called me a racist too?:wtf: Just for good measure I guess. LOL I dunno? Am I crazy, or is the issue of activist judges violating the rights of everyone, gay, straight, cow, chicken, a much more important issue than whether or not gays can marry? It kind of is to me.
And would people that support what the judges did, support the same action in Michigan if activist judges there struck down MMJ? I suspect that no one here would say "oh yeah that's ok!"
But many folks here are willing to say that when it comes to what was happening here in CA?
Doesn't exactly make sense.:jointsmile:
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