Prop 8 California Defeated? WTF?

[RamblerGambler]

How is it apples and oranges? Should America have listened to the "will of the people" when southern states wanted to keep Americans separate but equal? When the "will of the people" of certain states decided to sunder this nation over slavery? Maladroit raises a decent point, but you dismiss it out of hand. Imagine that.

[iamapatient]

How is it apples and oranges? Maladroit raises a decent point, but you dismiss it out of hand. Imagine that.

You're just mad because you like apples to oranges comparisons. It's not the same because nobody is saying gay people aren't human. Special rights for gay people is not the same as equal rights for an entire race or sex, no matter how much you think it is. I dismiss it because it's a ridiculous comparison, like apples to oranges or electoral college to voter initiatives.

Imagine that...

[8182KSKUSH]

They certainly could (and I expect they will) get signatures to put *another* proposition on the ballot re-amending the constitution but it will fail because even more people will be against the attempt to subvert (yet again) the will of the people.

California Secretary of State - Elections & Voter Information - Initiative Guide

Of course they will that's a given. It was 694K signatures last time, it will be slightly higher this time, but no doubt there is no reason why they could not get a ballot initiative done. There lies the problem, what will happen if it loses? Try to get it overturned in state supreme court, oh no wait that's what they did already, nevermind.:wtf:

[maladroit]

i still don't think getting married is a special right for ANYONE...it smells of prejudice (no offense) to even put such a question to a referendum...it wasn't that long ago that homosexuals were thrown in prisons and homosexual sex between consenting adults is *still* a crime in parts of america...would you put that to a vote too?

[8182KSKUSH]

You're just mad because you like apples to oranges comparisons. It's not the same because nobody is saying gay people aren't human. Special rights for gay people is not the same as equal rights for an entire race or sex, no matter how much you think it is. I dismiss it because it's a ridiculous comparison, like apples to oranges or electoral college to voter initiatives.

Imagine that...

How do you like them apples! LOL Sorry could not resist! Just poking a little fun, just thought that was funny.

[iamapatient]

it smells of prejudice (no offense) to even put such a question to a referendum...

would you put that to a vote too?

You're one of "those" that think that people who are against "illegal immigration" are just anti-Mexican racists too, right?

Again, apples to oranges and completely ridiculous...

[8182KSKUSH]

i still don't think getting married is a special right for ANYONE...it smells of prejudice (no offense) to even put such a question to a referendum...it wasn't that long ago that homosexuals were thrown in prisons and homosexual sex between consenting adults is *still* a crime in parts of america...would you put that to a vote too?

Hmmm?
I see an enforcement issue there. But where I used to live, gay male prostitutes would get busted at a local park, and many times it was not by a sting, it was both parties, I would have to really really check to be 100%, but I believe that there was some kind of additional charge for sodomy, specifically to the aspect that it was "the gay" sex. Maybe I am just crazy, I dunno, but I am pretty sure there are some laws like that.
Enforcement however, in light of an incident like I described, would be kind of hairy and messy if you know what I mean. I would not think that it would be practical. Plus, the re-offense rate once someone is in the joint! Could you imagine? I mean, I heard that there might be some gay sex that happens there, no personal experience so I am just speculating I guess.

Maybe to your bigger point, about putting it to the people in the form of initiative referendum, I don't believe it is the best process for legislation that a state government could do. Just my opinion, but we do elect people represent us on each and every level of government, that's usually their job, to me the ballot initiative is more direct democracy as opposed to a far superior form of government, a representative republic, which most states model, at least where I previously lived did.

I still don't see why someone hasn't made a constitutional amendment to eliminate the state income tax. I am sure you could get signatures for that.

There are good points to voter based initiatives, however I just think the negatives far outway the good, in my mind anyway.

[8182KSKUSH]

Just to be politically correct, in the previous post I used the term, "gay male" prostitutes.
I was in no way implying that all male prostitutes are gay! I would not want anyone to get all bent outta shape. Honestly I just assumed that these male prostitutes were gay,
I mean, they were doing other guys.

[FreshNugz]

Oh please. You think the religious right in California passed this? hahaha. The fact is that a lot of the new black voters whom the democrats registered for Obama are very religious and don't support gay-marriage

My bad...okay just religious people???
But come on, was my statement that bad...i'd be willing to bet more right than left voted for it.
prove me wrong though...