Updated bailout price tag: 840 Billion?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you might appreciate having those lines and laws protecting those lines if a country that doesn't have enough resources decides to send a couple hundred thousand troops and mercenaries over to take control of your resources

but that would be extremely unlikely in this modern civilized world...

way to completely miss his point.




in a world undivided by countries, or borders of control, free trade reigns supreme.

EVERY corner of the world is afforded the same freedom of trade and resources as every other corner in a world where everyone is one people. one family.


the kitchen holds all the resources, but we can still take them back to our bedrooms.



the earth works no differently. the Sahara might be your bedroom, but my kitchen is open to you, because we are brothers.



The earth has the capacity to provide for many more lives than just a few billion humans, but the control nations place on agriculture prevent the simplest of people from leading simple lives.

[GoldenBoy812]

The measurement of value is in the resources, Goldenboy. You don't need money for that.

We could at least try it out. Besides, a lot of things I'm asking for will happen on their own, unless we kill each other first.

How many gallons of gasoline is a whole chicken worth? How many oranges is a toothbrush worth? How many quarts of peanut butter is a foot massage worth? ETC...

On the other hand, i know how many dollars one gallon of gasoline, a whole chicken, basket of oranges, toothbrush, peanut butter, and a foot massage would cost.

I hope you get the point. Until you can provide something better than this, a system without currency or, a medium of exchange/measurement of value is outdated...

[JakeMartinez]

Everything being manufactured by machines, it's ultimately up to whoever's managing the resources if someone can have something based on its usage of those resources.

See, I believe that with modern technology, and a slow transition period to let technology grow even further, we can create an abundance of resources that everyone can share without the average person having to sacrifice anything.

Money, and the barter system, both rely on the idea of scarcity. There ISN'T enough to go around, so you either have to have something I want, or enough money to satisfy me. Otherwise, I won't give you anything.

It should be our goal as a society to work toward abundance. Let us not forget that abundance is bad for a capitalistic society. If there's a lot of something, the cost per unit goes down, but the cost to manufacture might not go down with it. So, abundance could easily cripple any business.

As a society, it should be a goal to CREATE abundance. Businesses will naturally fight the concept. For a recent example, what did OPEC do once an overabundance started driving oil prices into the ground? They stopped producing so many barrels of oil. A lot of people say that's just the way business works, but that's wrong. Why should we have to suffer higher prices for petroleum when the market's being manipulated to create scarcity?

Looking forward to a rebuttal.

[silkyblue]

drugs, sex, and rock, and roll



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[silkyblue]

good to see this place
booming

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