plants not looking too hot

[hanayama]

these girls are about 2 1/2 weeks old. they are under a 400 watt hps, the light is about 2 ft away from the plants
they got their first fert feeding on wednesday, im using the FF liquids
i have 7, 3 look great, 1 looks good and 3 look shitty. their stems are red, they are droopy and they havent grown much. i have them in FF soil mix with perilite.
they are strawberry cough clones
any suggestions? or are they a lost cause?


these are the best pics i can get right now, my camera is out of order

hanayama Reviewed by hanayama on 11-09-2008. plants not looking too hot these girls are about 2 1/2 weeks old. they are under a 400 watt hps, the light is about 2 ft away from the plants they got their first fert feeding on wednesday, im using the FF liquids i have 7, 3 look great, 1 looks good and 3 look shitty. their stems are red, they are droopy and they havent grown much. i have them in FF soil mix with perilite. they are strawberry cough clones any suggestions? or are they a lost cause? these are the best pics i can get right now, my camera is out of Rating: 5

[TheMartian]

HiYa m8.
Its hard to tell from your piccies, but to me it looks like they may have been slower rooting than the others, and you may have fried the fuck out of em, if they didn't have enough roots out to cope with the transpiration demands, then they're gonna shrivell up.
Or your soil may be a little to hot, and feeding won't have helped this. if the others are a bit farther allong this could be why theyr'e still OK.
BUT don't quote me. :-)
BTW, Try to get the camera focusing on the plant, check out your camera and find the macro button/facility, that will allow it to focus closer up to an object.
If it doesn't have one, (and this can also work with the macro facility too), try pressing the button in slightly, the camera should then try to focus without taking the picture, if it won't focus on what you want, try moving back slightly, and if it then focuses on something slightly farther away, (say the soil surface, or pot edge) keeping the button still slightly pressed in, so that it maintains the same focus, move the camera back that same distance, the plant/leaf should now be in focus, and until you depress the button fully the camera will maintain focus and not take the picture, or untill released, in wich case it will go back to its normal veiwing mode. then try preesing it in slightly again, and it will try again.
Another tip is, take loads and chose the best pic.
AND, try to take the picture from a standard sort of angle and position, so that if you take another picture of the same thing, you can compare the pictures side by side acurately. this is even more usefull, if you end up taking a series of pictures, one can see the colours changing, and things growing, or not as the case may be.

Toodle Ooo
Martian

[Dutch Pimp]

400 watt HID is rough on seedlings, first 3 weeks and they could suffering from several things......only the strong survive.

EDIT: oh...clones! RIP.

[stinkyattic]

Looks like you didn't harden them off enough before putting them under the big light, and also you REALLY can't give barely-rooted clones any fertilizer until they have begun vertical growth.

[hanayama]

i had a little talk with a buddy of mine who has been growing for a couple years now and its sounds like we pulled them out of the dome too soon.
i changed the water cycle for the shitty ones to a little every day, they have really sprung back since then. still not sure if they will last, but things are looking up.......oops!

oh well, its only time, effort and money

[Mr. Clandestine]

oh well, its only time, effort and money

With a Zen-like attitude like that, you'll go far in this hobby! :jointsmile:

[TheMartian]

Hello All
If they're starting to recover there's every chance they'll make it.
You godda go a bit gentle on cuttings, intill they get enough roots, if you put too much light on them too soon, they will obviously dry up, same goes for overwatering too, they will not be able to use moisture up as fast until they get enough roots out.
Its a bit of a ballancing act, if they start to wilt move light back slightly, and make sure they have enough water, but make sure they arn't overwatered, every few days its good to let the soil dry out a bit more than usuall and give them a good drink, till some runs out of the bottom, this will flush used up air out the soil, and draw in fresh as the water drains out and gets used, don't forget, roots also need oxygen too, or they rot.
Toodle Ooo
Martian

[hanayama]

With a Zen-like attitude like that, you'll go far in this hobby! :jointsmile:

haha yea, but at this point i havent vested much in them yet. all the zen business would go out the window if this happened a couple weeks into flowering

Hello All
If they're starting to recover there's every chance they'll make it.
You godda go a bit gentle on cuttings, intill they get enough roots, if you put too much light on them too soon, they will obviously dry up, same goes for overwatering too, they will not be able to use moisture up as fast until they get enough roots out.
Its a bit of a ballancing act, if they start to wilt move light back slightly, and make sure they have enough water, but make sure they arn't overwatered, every few days its good to let the soil dry out a bit more than usuall and give them a good drink, till some runs out of the bottom, this will flush used up air out the soil, and draw in fresh as the water drains out and gets used, don't forget, roots also need oxygen too, or they rot.
Toodle Ooo
Martian

thanks for the tips. i think i was just a little excited and moved them too early...lesson learned
i can always get more clones too...so theres that

[Wobster]

Cant you put them back under a dome? Make one if theyre to big with some sticks n clingfilm. Just an idea.

[Wobster]

Im thinking that might get the roots going again