obamaconomics

[wolfgar]

I just wanted to say that legalizing pot could not have much of an impact on our economy. if it was legal it would be almost free being that anyone who wanted some would just have a crop in their yard. Using hemp could have some positive economic effects though. I think the short answer to fix the US economic troubles is to stop acting like protectionism is a bad word, because that's what Americans need right now lots and lots of protection. Do we really need china to make everything for us? Do we really need Mideastern oil? If we need wall street so bad that we have to pay for all their greedy actions then where is the out cry to decouple our economy from being so dependent on it. IMO if we want a strong county we have to get back to the idea that an economy needs to be centered around small business. ok im ranting now...

[marijuanaisgr8]

ranting the truth however!!

[maladroit]

tobacco isn't almost free even though anyone can grow it in their backyard

growing pot is fun but only a tiny minority of potsmokers use enough cannabis to make it worth the trouble of growing

[wolfgar]

sorry about helping your thread to get off topic btw

maladroit you might be right there. but i think if tobacco was the same price as pot no one would buy it. cannabis is just so much more rewarding of a plant it seems to me if you like it you would grow it. 1 plant outdoors can give a heavy user months of use.Only my opinion and like they say opinions are like...nvm

obama(to get back on topic) is going to backpedal like everyone who was ever made to be president because if you didn't make tons and tons of impossible to keep promises you cant be president. Kind of a funny way our politics work i guess. the president does not run the government he is a figurehead only if he makes something happen it is only because the rest of government is behind him or too divided to stand against him(which seems the only explanation of why bush seemed to always get his way). If a bill he writes gets passed it because he made enough deals with congress to get it done. Change lol thats mostly what he promised did he really in plain English promise anything more than that?

Do you think if the DEA wants to raid mmj growers the president will make a public decision to stop them? i wish he would but i don't think he will do anything more than a private phone conversation with his fingers crossed that they will listen. ok i know most ppl could not of had the patients to read all the way through this one lol

[maladroit]

i thought about this topic a lot because i had planned to invest in a pot cafe when the canadian prime minister announced the government was going to decriminalize cannabis a few years back...that got shitcanned behind closed doors

i know a heavy medical user who has to grow 10 plants once a year to supply herself...it's a lot of work while the plants are growing and it's a lot of work when the plants are being trimmed and it's a lot of work to dry and package them...her health isn't good and she'd much rather pay a reasonable non-blackmarket price than go through all that work and stink up her home

1 plant could supply the average potsmoker for a whole year with two joints a week...it would be more convenient for them to buy fresh pre-rolled joints than to dig around in some dried out plant material that's been sitting in his sock drawer for 11 months

that's why my opinion is that most tobacco smokers, alcohol drinkers, and pot smokers prefer to buy someone else's product...there will always be people who want to make their own stuff but it's not convenient for most consumers

here's the tricky bit:
if pot were legalized completely, the corporations would move in and take over the market with mass production and existing distribution networks...it would be harder for the average mom and pop operation to make a profit...if pot were merely decriminalized, the corporations wouldn't be able to participate, and the little privately owned neighbourhood cafes would dominate the market...i'm hoping for dutch-style decriminalization/tolerance



back to obama:
it does seem like every politician has to promise to cut taxes and increase spending to bribe their way into power...at least obama was honest about raising taxes on rich people, but he's still going to add trillions to the national debt in his first term of office...the president might not run the country but he's more than a figurehead...he prepares the annual budget and makes executive decisions that can cost the taxpayers a LOT of money...i doubt very much that the national debt would have doubled over the past 8 years under a different fiscally responsible president even with the same congress...in george bush's first state of the union speech, he promised to pay off all the national debt that is available to retire over the coming decade, and the congressional budget office projected an annual federal government $500 billion surplus (serious real true events - no joke!)...that's going to go down as the most expensive broken promise in history...whatever fiscal damage obama does after that performance is going to look like a dog and pony show!

i think the president can stop the DEA from busting mmj growers/dispensaries because the president appoints the head of the DEA who reports to the president's administration via the attorney general...the president can tell the attorney general to tell the DEA chief to back off medical marijuana...but if the president does that, people will lose their minds thanks to decades of hysterical drugwar propaganda brainwashing...even so, the medical marijuana movement has a much better chance of seeing reform by obama than the recreational movement (and so they should), but that reform could happen at the expense of the rest of the potsmokers in the form of a crackdown on dealers and growers

whadya think?

[GoldenBoy812]

here's the tricky bit:
if pot were legalized completely, the corporations would move in and take over the market with mass production and existing distribution networks...

Big business would undoubtedly reduce the price. What is more important in your eyes??? Mom and Pop shops making profits, or overall lower prices to the consumer?

it would be harder for the average mom and pop operation to make a profit...if pot were merely decriminalized, the corporations wouldn't be able to participate, and the little privately owned neighbourhood cafes would dominate the market...i'm hoping for dutch-style decriminalization/tolerance

Mass production was a tool for dominance in the past. Now everything is different, as communication has taken great leaps forward. If a company produces a bad product early in its existence, unless they sell it at next to nothing (which does much more good for all consumers of that type good) there will be very low demand in the future until competition brings the appropriate balance of price and quality.

back to obama:
it does seem like every politician has to promise to cut taxes and increase spending to bribe their way into power...at least obama was honest about raising taxes on rich people, but he's still going to add trillions to the national debt in his first term of office...the president might not run the country but he's more than a figurehead...he prepares the annual budget and makes executive decisions that can cost the taxpayers a LOT of money...i doubt very much that the national debt would have doubled over the past 8 years under a different fiscally responsible president even with the same congress...in george bush's first state of the union speech, he promised to pay off all the national debt that is available to retire over the coming decade, and the congressional budget office projected an annual federal government $500 billion surplus (serious real true events - no joke!)...that's going to go down as the most expensive broken promise in history...whatever fiscal damage obama does after that performance is going to look like a dog and pony show!

You are aware of the possibility for an even larger deficit to exist during the first year of Obama's presidency? Lower GDP will produce lower tax revenue, as in-discretionary spending will rise on its own due to other market factors (inflation, population increase), and cyciclal spending will increase due to higher unemployment etc....

We are prime for a quality stimulus to boost the economy.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Big business would undoubtedly reduce the price. What is more important in your eyes??? Mom and Pop shops making profits, or overall lower prices to the consumer?

Mom & pop stores, definitely. the reason being, it would create more jobs. what's more important, lower prices where no one has a job to make the money to afford it, or higher prices, but at least everyone has a job and CAN afford it?

We are prime for a quality stimulus to boost the economy.

What better way than to finally utilize hemp? it can be used for just about everything anyone would ever need in order to survive, and the best part is, ANYONE can grow it!

It would effectively bring a giant surplus of commodities at a drastically cheap price, because EVERYONE could grow it.

[GoldenBoy812]

Mom & pop stores, definitely. the reason being, it would create more jobs. what's more important, lower prices where no one has a job to make the money to afford it, or higher prices, but at least everyone has a job and CAN afford it?

How can you be sure it will create more jobs? Secondly, your premise is a tad flawed. In order to assume what you are stating is sound, it would have to be true that the only people who would consume cannabis are those who would work in mom and pop shops if they did exist and no other jobs would exist in cannabis cultivation if it is not mom and pop shops. The reality is that many people who work in other industries would purchase cannabis, and the big companies would need to hire people (jobs) in order to actually produce it. :jointsmile:

[maladroit]

"What is more important in your eyes??? Mom and Pop shops making profits, or overall lower prices to the consumer?"

- what is more important in your eyes? keeping jobs and profit in the community, or overall lower prices to the consumer by selling chinese pot?

[GoldenBoy812]

"What is more important in your eyes??? Mom and Pop shops making profits, or overall lower prices to the consumer?"

- what is more important in your eyes? keeping jobs and profit in the community, or overall lower prices to the consumer by selling chinese pot?

LOL, you are assuming too much.

First off, if you had a blindfold and were given two types of quality skunk (one from the US and one from China), would you know the difference? Would you really care if it was of lower cost?

You do not see Chinese tobacco or alcohol commanding a heavy portion of US market share do you? Why on earth you assume it would work this way for cannabis is beyond me.