obamaconomics

[maladroit]

"if you had a blindfold"

- why would you assume a consumer is blindfolded? the free markets demand free information



"You do not see Chinese tobacco or alcohol commanding a heavy portion of US market share do you?"

- i see chinese lots-of-things commanding a heavy portion of the US market, including chinese hemp...thanks to the war on drugs, china and eastern europe are in a position to dominate the legal cannabis market...if obama legalized cannabis on january 21, vast segments of the brainwashed US population would be opposed to cannabis cultivation...canada 'legalized' medical marijuana and the only government sponsored grow operation was located in an abandoned mine deep underground...legalization doesn't mean true freedom - it means incorporation and government sponsored profit protection rackets

[GoldenBoy812]

why would you assume a consumer is blindfolded? the free markets demand free information

There is no need to beg the question, just answer it honestly.

i see chinese lots-of-things commanding a heavy portion of the US market, including chinese hemp

But that was not my question...

thanks to the war on drugs, china and eastern europe are in a position to dominate the legal cannabis market...

US productivity in farming trumps that of any nation, due to vast subsidies, available technology, and abundant capital. I have serious doubts about your previous comment.

if obama legalized cannabis on january 21, vast segments of the brainwashed US population would be opposed to cannabis cultivation...

Vast segments meaning half??? There are vast segments opposed to an Obama Presidency. Opposed or not, legal cannabis in the US will generate tens of billions of dollars within a year. The segment of the population that is most troubled with the thought of legal cannabis are black market growers...

canada 'legalized' medical marijuana and the only government sponsored grow operation was located in an abandoned mine deep underground...legalization doesn't mean true freedom - it means incorporation and government sponsored profit protection rackets

How does a government sponsored grow equate to freedom? Your problem lies with your government, as they are allowing a government sponsored monopoly...

[maladroit]

"There is no need to beg the question, just answer it honestly."

- fair enough:
if i had a blindfold and were given two types of quality skunk (one from the US and one from China), i couldn't tell the difference, but i would still know the difference between domestic jobs and outsourced labour, and i would really care if it was of lower cost but grown with lead based fertilizer and melamine pesticides...i don't shop with a blindfold or blindly choose the cheapest thing...i read labels and try to buy canadian or washington produce that is grown nearby, instead of shipped over on a slow boat from china...honestly!



"US productivity in farming trumps that of any nation, due to vast subsidies, available technology, and abundant capital. I have serious doubts about your previous comment."

- perhaps that's because you are substituting your productivity premise for my psychology premise in my following sentence...productivity isn't everything

[GoldenBoy812]

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if i had a blindfold and were given two types of quality skunk (one from the US and one from China), i couldn't tell the difference, but i would still know the difference between domestic jobs and outsourced labour, and i would really care if it was of lower cost but grown with lead based fertilizer and melamine pesticides...i don't shop with a blindfold or blindly choose the cheapest thing...i read labels and try to buy canadian or washington produce that is grown nearby, instead of shipped over on a slow boat from china...honestly!

Then domestic cannabis has nothing to worry about:jointsmile:

perhaps that's because you are substituting your productivity premise for my psychology premise in my following sentence...productivity isn't everything

No... What would be the reason for outsourcing cannabis production to China unless US companies were going to try and market it there? Answer: Lower input cost!

Productivity is everything in the corporate world. A farmer who can produce 100 tons of high quality cannabis for $1,000,000 will destroy another farmer who produces 10 tons of high quality cannabis for $250,000. It is a simple concept really.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

How can you be sure it will create more jobs? Secondly, your premise is a tad flawed. In order to assume what you are stating is sound, it would have to be true that the only people who would consume cannabis are those who would work in mom and pop shops if they did exist and no other jobs would exist in cannabis cultivation if it is not mom and pop shops. The reality is that many people who work in other industries would purchase cannabis, and the big companies would need to hire people (jobs) in order to actually produce it. :jointsmile:

Flaw in your logic: Absolute dependence on currency.


my logic is based in that we do, not for payment, but for the sake of getting done [what needs to be done].


mom & pop shops are PEOPLE creating businesses, not businesses creating work. the more people who own businesses, the more people that will be working as a whole. the less monopoly on business, the more empty slots to be filled by PEOPLE making businesses.

instead of Mc Donnalds, we'd have 150 other different burger joints:::instead of all our money going to one corporation, it's being evenly spread about the community through mom & pop businesses.

[GoldenBoy812]

Flaw in your logic: Absolute dependence on currency.

What do you mean?

my logic is based in that we do, not for payment, but for the sake of getting done [what needs to be done].

I can agree with that.

mom & pop shops are PEOPLE creating businesses, not businesses creating work. the more people who own businesses, the more people that will be working as a whole. the less monopoly on business, the more empty slots to be filled by PEOPLE making businesses.

Perfect competition can exist after the creative destruction of blackmarket farming. Once this is achieved, there will be many many many entrepreneurs in the cannabis field. But, once they are forced to compete against eachother (its not personal, just business), the weaker firms will phase out as the stronger ones continue to grab more market share.

instead of Mc Donnalds, we'd have 150 other different burger joints:::instead of all our money going to one corporation, it's being evenly spread about the community through mom & pop businesses.

McDonalds is not the only burger company, only the "largest large scale" burger company. Instead, there are now probably 10 different burger joints on a large scale. It would be impossible for there to be 150 large scale "burger joints" operating at once.

You do understand that there are literally hundreds of different burger joints in Chicago alone, they are only smaller. Also, McDonald's has open competition between themselves, although their primary goal is to gain market share over Wendy's and BK.

[maladroit]

"Productivity is everything in the corporate world."

- it isn't everything...productivity doesn't create demand, and demand is everything in the corporate world *grin*

[GoldenBoy812]

"Productivity is everything in the corporate world."

- it isn't everything...productivity doesn't create demand, and demand is everything in the corporate world *grin*

Ok, than answer this...

Why is China's economy so much smaller than ours even though they have about 4 times the population?

[wolfgar]

ah easy question to answer democracy is a crappy form of government,,,,
it is just better than all others

[wolfgar]

oh and by the way...china's economy will be bigger than ours soon enough