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11-07-2008, 08:40 PM #11OPSenior Member
"The higher man"
Originally Posted by Peruvian Devil\"All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.\"-Voltaire
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11-08-2008, 06:00 AM #12Member
"The higher man"
The idea of higher man just doesn't work in my mind. That being said if there was one I don't think they would be spending there short time on this earth trying to manipulate man kind. I believe the person doing that is clearly displaying if higher man exists it is not them.
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11-09-2008, 01:51 AM #13Senior Member
"The higher man"
there are many varrying degrees of the individual. some of us are stupid, some of us are weak, some of us are slow, some of us are just plain ignorant.
we are all equal in the sense that we all possess the same capacity of self improvement and self betterment. but that is a matter of free will to decide weather or not to WORK FOR IT.
most people are too lazy to work for self betterment, and these are the "lesser" people he speaks of. the higher man is merely the one who uses his free will to achieve self betterment.
However, Nietzsche neglects to take into consideration personal responsibility, thus proving he was actually one of the lesser beings himself.
His neglect of morality proves that he is a lesser person, for we all have the duty to take responsibility for ourselves, and those of whom cannot will cause more ill in their ripples than not. the truly higher man is an individual who can responsibly affect the world around him to improve the living conditions not only for himself, but for all others in his environment.
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11-09-2008, 02:05 AM #14OPSenior Member
"The higher man"
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
I don't know...I'm sure you've all noticed this: some people can just GET IT, and some can't. I mean, some people can watch a sunrise and be deeply touched with its majesty, and some can look at the same thing and just see some light, no different in their consciousness than fluorescent ones. The former person would be the higher one. Also, we have a choice in our 21st century lives: we can live, or we can become totally lost in the web of bullshit and not care one bit...that for me defines the lower man, one who can watch MTV with an uncritical eye.
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11-11-2008, 02:12 AM #15Senior Member
"The higher man"
High and low are simply words.
Superiority is a social illness.
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11-11-2008, 02:49 AM #16OPSenior Member
"The higher man"
Originally Posted by psychocat
Voltaire and Aldous Huxley were above the common dipshits of their day, end of story.
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11-11-2008, 03:38 AM #17Senior Member
"The higher man"
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
And i think its so because morality is not an absolute thing, but an abstract and very subjetive one, defined in terms of some concepts, values, and maybe even feelings. But as concepts and mainly values are intelligence based, people of different levels of intelligence may have different concepts and values, and thus different standards of morality (or even none).
So, maybe Nietszche could seem not moral for our usual standards, but maybe someone with the same intelligence and values of him would think that his (lack of) morality was perfectly OK.
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11-11-2008, 02:04 PM #18Senior Member
"The higher man"
Originally Posted by psychocat
the problem with superiority is not those who attain it, but those who are unable to grasp that new way of thinking and are envious of those few who are capable of rising above the humdrum existence of lesser creatures. we cling to our mediocrity and see only evil in the alternatives. it's sad but true that, though we long for something better, we destroy anyone who might see that better way and force them into the accepted stereotypes of the craven mob.
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11-11-2008, 02:10 PM #19Senior Member
"The higher man"
Originally Posted by Coelho
Morality is simple: That which causes harm is not morally sound.
which brings into play greater and lesser evils.
is it a greater or lesser evil to manipulate a "lesser" man into living a productive life, as opposed to leaving him to his own devices and wind up living a homeless life?
the matter of morality rests on the man's own opinion of the two scenarios.
If the man has a preference for one or the other, his moral ground would lie in that area.
if the man would prefer a homeless life, to interfere and "improve" his life would be morally wrong.
Morality and intelligence must go hand in hand, for without intelligence, morality would be lost on the individual, likewise, without morality, intelligence would be wasted.
Universal morality lies in respect and responsibility.
Respect the free will of others, and use your own free will responsibly, and you will walk a morally sound path.
Neglect your personal responsibility or to respect the freedom of others, and you will walk an amoral path.
It shouldnt take a lot of intelligence to understand the simplicity of morality. if you dont get it, maybe you're over thinking things...
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11-11-2008, 07:17 PM #20Senior Member
"The higher man"
How exactly is intellect measured ?
Is a brain surgeon more intelligent than a mechanic ?
I suppose that would depend on wether you had an anuerism or a blocked carb..
Is the downs syndrome child who plays piano like a demon or can recount all the inportant dates from the last two centuries less inteligent than you or I ?
It's a question of supposed importance and mans need to feel superior to others in the pecking order of life.
Basically it's bollocks ! :thumbsup:
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