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11-04-2008, 01:18 AM #1
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Israel to end support of outposts
1st off, your post has nothing to do with this issue here, this is about extremist israelis ignoring international law and even their own (internationally flawed and rejected) national law
Originally Posted by apocolips31
2nd:a real muslim will never ever kill unarmed civilians, especially other muslims of all factions
go become familiar with islam before u accuse the religion and its true followers.
just because someone calls himself a muslim or a christian or a jew, doesnt mean they are true ones
just cuz some idiot extremist who claims to be muslim says or does something (in this case suicide bombing, targetting civilians) it should not and does not represent islam and all of other muslims
For clarification
Suicide Bombers in Islam
WORSHIP\ Jihaad \ Suicide bombings \ Attacking the enemy by blowing oneself up in a car
What does the Qur'an say about terrorism?
"And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you. But do not transgress limits. Truly Allah loves not the transgressors."
- Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqarah (2:190)
The dangerous escalation of violence in the world is disturbing to all people of conscience, from September 11 to the Middle East battles, and other random acts of violence perpetrated at innocent civilians.
In Islam, several things are clear:
* Suicide is forbidden. "O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).
* The taking of life is allowed only by way of justice (i.e. the death penalty for murder), but even then, forgiveness is better. "Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause..." (17:33).
* In pre-Islamic Arabia, retaliation and mass murder was commonplace. If someone was killed, the victim's tribe would retaliate against the murderer's entire tribe. This practice was directly forbidden in the Qur'an (2:178-179). Following this statement of law, the Qur'an says, "After this, whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave chastisement" (2:178). No matter what wrong we perceive as being done against us, we may not lash out against an entire population of people.
* The Qur'an admonishes those who oppress others and transgress beyond the bounds of what is right and just. "The blame is only against those who oppress men with wrongdoing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice. For such there will be a chastisement grievous (in the Hereafter)" (42:42).
* Harming innocent bystanders, even in times of war, was forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This includes women, children, noncombatant bystanders, and even trees and crops. Nothing is to be harmed unless the person or thing is actively engaged in an assault against Muslims.
The predominant theme in the Qur'an is forgiveness and peace. Allah (God) is Merciful and Forgiving, and seeks that in His followers. Indeed, most people who spend time on a personal level with ordinary Muslims have found them to be peaceful, honest, hard-working, civic-minded people.
In the fight against terrorism of all forms, it is important to understand who or what is our enemy. We can only fight against this horror if we understand its causes and motivations. What motivates a person to lash out in this violent, inhumane way? That is something that all of us -- mental health professionals, politicians, and common people -- need to understand, so that we can address the issues more honestly, prevent more violence, and find ways to work towards lasting peace.
Please visit the links below to read what Muslim scholars and Islamic governmental leaders have recently declared about this subject.
"O ye who believe! Remain steadfast for Allah, bearing witness to justice. Do not allow your hatred for others make you swerve to wrongdoing and turn you away from justice. Be just; that is closer to true piety."
- Qur'an, Surah al-Maidah (5:8)however i dont blame you, your news and media will never ever cover such a thing, and even if they do, just like many other rooted myths, many people will not buy it.Attacking the enemy by blowing oneself up in a car
*Please appropriately reference this fatwa to: Fatwa-Online.com <> eFatwa.com, thankyou!*
Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihaad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action?
Response: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam).
[((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)]].
However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala), then we hope Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad, even though I do not find any excuse for him in the present day. This is because this type of suicide is well known and widespread amongst the people, so it is upon the person to ask the people of knowledge (scholars) regarding it, until the right guidance for him is differentiated from the error.
And from that which is surprising, is that these people kill themselves despite Allaah having fordbidden this, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:
{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [Soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29].
And many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halaal or haraam. So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge.
We ask Allaah to bless us with foresight in His Deen and action(s) which please Him, indeed He is all Powerful over all things.
Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen
Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 119
but fact n the matter is that such terroristic moves are condemned and rejected by real and true muslims
forget governments and groups that claim following islam, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN, has completely violated the real islam, inside out!!!! So has done Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with their harsh and extremist Wahhabist views
one last note: FYI for everyone, there are many names and adjectives attributed to Allah (god, its claimed in Islam this is the same god who sent Jesus, Moses, Abraham and Noah and many other prophets), but if u have even read Quran once or even just looked inside it, I believe the most repeated and stressed characteristics of Allah are in the beginning of every Surah (chapter)
every single surah (chapter) starts with this sentence: In the name of Allah, the beneficent (sometimes called compassionate), the merciful (بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم)
it could have been, in the name of allah, the distresser, the avenger
Mind u, there are more than 99 names & adjs attributed to allah accepted by muslims and even mentioned in Quran (including the above mentioned 4)
ALLAH Names, The Most Beautiful Names of ALLAH, 99 Names of ALLAH
Half of the crap representing Islam these out there is in no way word of Allah, rather word that is attributed to his prophet n other high ranking n early muslims usually in form of Hadith, a muslim does not HAVE to believe in such a thing, but many do.
Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaflyingimam Reviewed by flyingimam on . Israel to end support of outposts Israel to end support of outposts Page last updated at 18:22 GMT, Sunday, 2 November 2008 By Tim Franks BBC News, Jerusalem The Israeli government has announced that it will cut off all public funding and support for illegal Jewish settlement outposts in the West Bank. Ministers said the move was in response to an "intolerable" rise in violence and threats from some settlers directed towards the Israeli security forces. Rating: 5
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