Neon green with Rust spots Pls help

[nuggiespl]

Weedhound, look guy I'm tired of your insults, or trying to make someone feel stupid. With exception to your first 8-11 post everything else has been neg. I respect constructive criticism but enough from you, you definitely aren't making things better here. I have researched, off and on for over a year before I decided to grow anything. Unfortunately it was on soil, and not soilless mix but thatâ??s beside the point. I told my hydro guy what I wanted to do, and he told me how to do it. So please either back off or don't come back like you have said twice already. Maybe we got off to the wrong foot, I have apologized multiple times so no more.

Stinky Iâ??m grateful for u taking time to help me with my problems you rock, Thanks. PS I wasnâ??t questioning your recommended Ph level, just wanted to make sure u were referring to soilless mix and not soil. Cause it sounded like originally, u were unaware I was In coco.

[stinkyattic]

Well, I didn't actually see you were in coco but my previous advice stands, but yeah your pH can be a touch lower in soilless. Even so, with that mish-mash you have going, especially the FF stuff, personally I would aim to have it on the higher end of the soilless range for sure.

[nuggiespl]

Thanks again stinky

Are you familiar with Teas and Ph I would assume you are ( please don't take as n insult). When you add tea to your nutes, is Ph that critical since the Beneficialâ??s process the nutes to make it easier for the plants to use. If I remember right Ph up and down can kill the beni's, and also will the cal mag plus, kill the beni's. When I mix everything up when using tea the ph is like 5.7-6.2, will I be fine or should I add ph up. A friend of mine (Aquarium guy) said that R/O water doesn't really have a ph, I know it has very low ppm but not sure if there is any truth in the first part.

Weedhound you were right, I have no problem admitting you were right. I wish you would have left out the part about being unfamiliar with coco. This would have been fixed a week ago. But appreciate your honesty. Thanks again you guys. I will medicate for all 3 of us and wish one day to thank u in person. Until then keepem green. ps working on that last part.
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[stinkyattic]

Your aquarium guy is 100% right on the money, read the chemistry link in my sig. RO by definition has almost no ionic strength and therefore its pH is of no consequence.

Tea is a broad term. There are beneficials packaged for hydro use- SubCulture comes to mind- that are quite happy in a solution containing calmag and pH adjusters. It's all about how MUCH is in there. Like, in the ocean, it's really salty but microorganisms of all sorts have adapted. Teas are useful for more than just the bennies too. Organic acids especially humic are found in compost teas, and those are great for stabilizing pH and making nutes available. If you have any doubts as to whether your bennies are suffering from addition of up/down, use a hydro beneifical product that you know will not be damaged. I can't tell you too much more than that because I don't run teas per se and haven't bothered to do much experimenting with them. But after you mix your nute solution I would still bump the pH up just a hair to get it closer to where the coco-based soil/soilless mix you are running needs.
I gotta run... sorry...

[nuggiespl]

Stinky, how long until i can flip them, I have height restrictions kinda, like 65 inches or 5ft 5 in. They are like 18-22 in now, I only wanted to veg for like 2 weeks but, newb problems, and thought getting them healthy was a better idea. They are 23 days in veg, I would like to do Sea of green single cola plants, I have used the search feature and didn't find anything, as far how to cut or trim for a single cola.

Thanks again, By the way they look much happier and green, the foliar feed has helped 10 fold.

[stinkyattic]

Flower them pretty soon if you have a height restriction- even if there is like another 3 feet before you acutally HIT the light, you get heat burn well below that.
A good SOG depends upon growing from clones, but if you are doing it with seed plants, flower them as soon as you see the nodes go alternating, and arrange them like this:
-Put the tall ones around the edges of the room, and the short ones under the light's hot spots
-Strip any scruffy, thin growth that gets no light, up to about 3" off the top of the soil, and remove any side branches that are lanky and pathetic. Leave 4-5 very strong leads per square foot.
-Never cut or remove the tallest branch on the plant. This turns into your main cola

[nuggiespl]

Should I flower and wait 2 weeks till after stretch is over, and did u mean 3 in or 3 feet. I already arranged the tall ones on the edge. Or trim them now I would think after flower. Also do u think I would lose much yeild by flowering the first 2 weeks with 1200 watts to reduce stretch and then turn the other 2 bulbs after stretch is over. I have 2 growzillas on a light mover. Thanks

[nuggiespl]

Here is the method to my maddness, check out this post if you have time.
International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - Unofficial Coco Coir Growers Thread

Stinky thanks for all your help,

[stinkyattic]

Three INCHES. This is not necessary unless the undergrowth is very dense or your humidity is high enough to cause mold worries.
You can start with MH to reduce stretch then switch to HPS after 2 weeks, but if all you have is HPS, and you have appropriate watts for your space, stretch is going to be mostly determined by genetics, although controlling night temps so the day/night difference is 10'F or less will help too.

[nuggiespl]

Whats up with (picture 269) what causes the leaf to do that, and also what causes the stem to get barcky like that is that (pic 276)anything to be concearned with. They look much better thanks to stinky. Day 6 of flower.
Will they stretch much in the 3rd week, I'm starting to get concearned about height issues? I have alot of dense growth at the base of the plant and was thinking about cutting for clones.

Any one heard of water cloning thinking about giving it a shot. Takes a little longer but check it out. International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - Cloning in plain water under fluoros

Can't wait till 8 more days to turn the other 2 lights on, 2400w = 6785.7 lumesn per square foot. I might even be able to increase the Lumens psft, by attaching polly to my lights, and pulling it down at angle. I know the lights get hot but would come up with something. The growzilla doesn't really get that hot since I'm sucking air from underneath the house through lights and out the attic. Any ways thank again everyone that stops to help, happy T-day, I'm full as a tick.