Neon green with Rust spots Pls help

[nuggiespl]

I think that I have a phosphate df, I got the rooted clones on 10-27 they were in rockwool, cut out and transplanted into square ½ gallon pots, I didnâ??t feed enough I gave 1 ml of bio grow per gallon with 1 ml superthrive per gallon. Watered till I saw run off, also mixed neem oil with half strength dutchmasters pen, and Dutchmaster Grow and lightly sprayed before I took them in the garden.
I then waited until 10-30 and watered until I saw run off with only ½ strength superthrive per gallon, and also foliar fed again this time with penetrator, liquid light, foiltec grow, I noticed what I thought P def around Thursday and maybe N but that could have been yellowing form over watering 10-30.
I have also discovered Iâ??m probably watering to much at once. So Friday 10-31 I mixed up Bio Grow 10ml per gallon ph 5.8 and fed twice 30ml each time. Was going to feed twice today but am concered about the water they definitely look over watered, I have also noticed some powder mildew starting to take place, So I reduced my humidity from 55 to 45. And was thinking of moving them into the flower room under 2 600 hps as high as I could get them which is about 6 ft with light movers on 18-6 spaced out more than being cramped up, I also thought this would help dry the medium up and also give the plant more useable energy, I have a Co2 Gen with a fuzzy set 12hr at 800ppm and constant fans blowing to move the air around.
Should I spray the plants with neem oil to help with the few plants that have mildew, or just use tap water I think tap water is around 9ph, what are your thoughts any help would be greatly appreciated. THe Majority of the Strain is HS Hindu Skunk, a few Jack ripper mixed in.


E-indoor or outdoor, Indoor
E-soil, soilless, coco, aero, or hydroponic ( 50%cocoâ?� 25% lightwarrior, 25% pert
E-specific medium,,
CSL-Soil type/brand Biococoâ?�
HCL-Hydro/aero/soilless system type, Soilless
SCL-Anything you have added to the soil, nothing
SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH 6.0
E-Water source Tap
E-Source water pH City
HRT-Source water EC (if hydro)
E-Age of plant Clone 10-16-08
E-Type of fertilizer Bio Grow â??1.8-.1-6.6
E-Rate of application (if hydro, this is your PPM number, preferably after each component is added) 4-7 ounces of water every 3 days or as needed, I have been overwatering
E-Lighting source and distance from plant 12in 2 4 bulb t-5
E-Air temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period)71-78 constant
HD-Reservoir temperature
E-Air % Relative humidity was 55, changed to 45
E-Lighting schedule 24

nuggiespl Reviewed by nuggiespl on 11-01-2008. Neon green with Rust spots Pls help I think that I have a phosphate df, I got the rooted clones on 10-27 they were in rockwool, cut out and transplanted into square ½ gallon pots, I didnâ??t feed enough I gave 1 ml of bio grow per gallon with 1 ml superthrive per gallon. Watered till I saw run off, also mixed neem oil with half strength dutchmasters pen, and Dutchmaster Grow and lightly sprayed before I took them in the garden. I then waited until 10-30 and watered until I saw run off with only ½ strength superthrive per Rating: 5

[Weedhound]

just off the top of my head I would say they appear locked out and rootbound. But with the medium you are using, I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough to say......I do not as a rule play with coco and you I'm not familiar with "light warrier" so while I strongly suspect lockout......I'm not at all sure what your ph should be.

Those are my suspicions anyway....ph lockout/and or rootbound and/or both.

[nuggiespl]

Everything I have read has told me between 5.5 and 6.5 for soilless grow. I read 5.8 was Ideal though, Light warrior is by fox farms agro ponic medium is basically like a seed starter medium. This coco threw more for a loop, all the research I had done was on soil grow. I was talked in to a Coco So why not, do you think the browinsh could be a fungus or more nutrient's, based on what they have got, I gotta say it should be a def they are hungry.
Thanks for such a speedy response. Rootbound after only being in the pot for less than a week, is that possible. Thanks

[Weedhound]

If they are hungry and ph is off.....it doesn't matter WHAT you pour in there because they simply won't be able to absorb it. Coco has its own issues so I don't use it.....the less hassle the better and I consider coco a hassle. (sorry for the mini rant there...:jointsmile

If transplaning them into something larger doesn't work....then i'd take you straight back to lockout. I do hydro myself and something about your plants says abnormal ph to me....but that's just my guess.

Good luck.

[nuggiespl]

Would transplanting into a 3 gallon pot be to big, and also would 2 transplants in less than a week be to much stress. I planned on finishing in a 3 gallon pot anyways. Thanks again

[Weedhound]

And honestly.....I'd stop foliar spraying ANYTHING on them until Stinky or somebody with good soil experience comes along. The list of stuff you've put on the leaves is stunning......and probably helping to suffocate your leaves as well. Figure out the issue where the roots are and give the poor leaves a break and some breathing room.

[Weedhound]

nuggl....if you've transplanted them into something ALREADY within the last few days and you know that you are giving enough nutes then your issue will most likely be ph lockout and that's honestly how they look to me anyway.

I don't know what to tell you except this If they were MY plants I would take some regular tap water....right from the faucet and I would ph it to 6.5-6.6 and water them once with that. If I saw some sort of positive difference I would know ph is the problem and that it needs to be higher.

And again......if they are newly transplanted I STRONGLY suspect ph is your problem.

[nuggiespl]

I think I figured it out, I got the clones on monday from the best place in town, and think that it is a burn from what they were feeding them. The first watering was around ph 6.5 ish, I didn't have a digi yet and now I have one. Friday feeding was 5.8 for sure, I always double check with digi and 1 drop ph tester, to make sure they are in the same league, I fed them tonight and was at 6.0, I also moved them into the big room with 1200 w hps actually 2 growzillas I just loosened a bulb in each fixture since they are hardwired. They are on a light mover which only moves like 1 1/2 foot, they are like almost 6 ft high. Also I think that my drainage might be to good if there is such a thing, I have been watering 30 mil twice a day, I have accidently watered the same plant twice and I get run off out the bottom so 60 mil = run off. Any comments questions or concearns. Thanks in advance

[Weedhound]

If they look better.....great! Problem solved.

I have a feeling you will have more issues though....if they don't improve i'd move your ph up to 6.5.

Good luck.

[nuggiespl]

I now think that when i originally transplanted I didn't give the right ph. I should have given them 5.8 due to e what they were given, and I am using the same style of growing they used. So not only did i cause the transplant shock I also added a PH shock, I think I'm going to try experiment, with 1 tray and flush with 5.8 let dry out and continue feeding schedule. But I do think I have a P def, slow growth, purple stems, and due to they were using sensi bloom, which has high p, Whereâ??s stinky I need help.