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03-18-2005, 08:02 PM #33
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Mythology, religions, gods....
Quite sure, I said where to look , both of the head scientists which were in charge of the study were also on Discovery Channel as well , You can order the Study from Dutch Universities, but admittedly I've found no mention of it online so far I'll keep digging but If I can scrape the dough together I'll order it myself and .pdf copy it for ya and post the .pdf. This may seem biased but I tend to believe the Dutch , they are the most critical of "new claims" but also the first to accept empirical evidence (unlike alot of religious or even secular groups)They also seem to be roughly 20 years ahead of the rest of the world at its best, politically , socially , culturally etc. It's already been accepted by the International College of Scientists. It doesnt prove "life" as we know it or reinforce "religious" beliefs , it simply proves consciousness at least 20 minutes after brain death. People who have come back from that state have provided details of things they could not possibly know (the make of a surgeon's watch they never "met" as he was only in the room during brain death) They tested 10's of thousands of people. Yes upon death or just before it , people always experience serious hallucinations (the white light etc) but that is before brain death not after. So I am quite sure. You could also probably email Discovery Channel and just ask what "episode" they were on. Then order it , or just keep an eye out for it. I'm not surprised however that most people have no idea about the study. Most people still think the american government is "hiding" their knowledge of "ufo's" when they've already come out quite publicly (but then immediately when there is a "staff" administration change went back to denying it). That doesnt change the fact that they still came out (much like the majority of astronauts have as well). But , most people just pass it over. It's like no one remember the "lights over phoenix incident" or the subsequent "coming out" of the air force and NASA. As they both went back to denying it upon the next administration change. If I can find a simple website for you , I will . However websites are proof of nothing in the long run. Official documents and scientific journals are the only real proof (or looking at the scientists themselves explaining their study "ala" Discovery Channel please if you see it "excuse" their crazy dutch accents, they are incredibly thick accented). The majority of scientific Journals and "proofs" are not available online contrary to popular belief. Unless it says .edu at the end (and even then) id be skeptical of their information without corrobaration(sp?). Your best bet as It'll be awhile for me to scrape the money together (although I would like a copy of the study myself) is to email Discovery and ask when that particular episode will be shown again in your area. Other than that you'll have to wait. Also here's an irony , theres "zero" scientific/empirical evidence that you just cease to exist upon death....Kind of an irony don't you think considering how many self acclaimed atheists (like myself I used to believe it personally until I read up on physics and the human brain) claim thats what happens? Of course the average person believes there has to be beginnings and ends to everything, yet this is a fallacy as everything in this universe as we know it works in cycles
, beginnings and ends are a human conception to explain our life death cycle. All we know for sure is , the conscious mind survives the "meat" after its destruction. What this entails were not sure (which is why I wouldnt comment on Reincarnation other than to say I wouldnt want to be reincarnated). Truly if "death" just caused us to cease to be , upon brain death if you were brought back you'de be "blank" , a vegetable , by empirical thinking.
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