If the world could vote...

[B.Basher]

It is the belief of the majority outside of the US that McCain represents everything America has stood for thus far on the world stage: Warmongering, close-mindedness, religion before politics, elitism, etc, etc.
Obama, the first black person to make such an impact in US politics, as well as making such intriguing promises to the rest of the world for a brighter, better, less-asshole America, is naturally the obvious choice for those on the outside. Thankfully, we are unable to share the divisive, self-righteous mindframe of "patriotic" Americans that choose to think about themselves first and the wider world second and therefore would consider voting in someone that would vouch for Sarah Palin to take over if the worst should happen. Sarah Palin of all people, yet somehow she remains a strong role model for many Americans.

Though I don't think he's as useless as George Bush, McCain is simply more of the same. It's not a popularity contest, it's history being made. We can't rely on you guys to make the right decision.

My personal view is that it doesn't matter who wins. It'll only decide who takes the blame for the worlds woes for the next four years (recession, war, etc). The bigger issues of the world are out of the US governments hands. Recession is inevitable and the Iraq and Afghan wars ain't stopping any time soon. If Obama wins, bitter republicans will slate him for everything. If McCain wins, it'll be bitter liberals. At the very least, a win for Obama would symbolise an evolution in the American public to recognise a good leader. That's the least we can hope for.

But it won't happen.

[8182KSKUSH]

you didn't post a link

when someone makes a claim, the burden of proof lies on them to prove it...if you don't want to step up then i guess there wasn't really much to step on in the first place

Oh! OK! Geez so sorry. Actually I DID just post 2 links, you need to cut and paste them, but if that is the only thing holding you back, then here you go I guess?

Click Me IF YOU DARE!!! DIRECT "CLICKABLE" LINK TO THE FIRST SEARCH RESULTS!!

THIS IS THE SECOND LINK TO RESULTS FROM THE SECOND SET OF SEARCH OF "FUCK AMERICA".


Sorry if that's time too time consuming or too much trouble for you. I don't have to go in and pick every one out that is an example of what I am talking about, they are there. I have read them. And the ones I have read have been with in the last year. Again, I believe I have proven my point, but if I have to, I will post individual threads for you and THEN maybe you will get what I am saying. Let me know if it's too much trouble to look through the google results.

[B.Basher]

Let me know if it's too much trouble to look through the google results.

That's fair-dos right there man, but don't be an extremist and disregard the entire wider world for the overblown statements of a few wet-blouses, and don't let it cloud your judgement either or your just as bad as those guys.

[maladroit]

cool logic: lemme try it out

liberals hate america...it's true because i read it on the internet somewhere...go look it up if you don't believe me

what? you couldn't find it? too bad...i am not going to dig around google to prove it to you...someone said fuck america 3 years ago, therefore these forums are riddled with countless examples of liberal anti-american dogma

[8182KSKUSH]

cool logic: lemme try it out

liberals hate america...it's true because i read it on the internet somewhere...go look it up if you don't believe me

what? you couldn't find it? too bad...i am not going to dig around google to prove it to you...someone said fuck america 3 years ago, therefore these forums are riddled with countless examples of liberal anti-american dogma

LOL!!!
Wow buddy!
Anyway, we were talking specifically about examples from this site of the "hate america/ world hates america dogma". That is exactly what I gave as examples.
You are the one that is trying to sidetrack the conversation at this point by trying to say that now we are talking about how I think that liberals hate america based on the posts on the forum. That's not what I was talking about, nor anyone else actually. You kind of just pulled that out of your ass.:thumbsup:
Again, what we were, or at least what I was talking about before you got all in a hussy was that there is and has been a very popular belief that has been perpetuated endlessly that the world "hates America". There are many examples just here on this forum.

Here is your last post again. You should read it aloud.

- can you show me some of those posts from the dogmatic left here that the world HATES america and they want to see america FAIL? i did a search and couldn't find a single one

You asked a direct question about my post, I provided the info and now you don't want to accept it. YOU ASKED FOR IT! WTF?
I dunno what you want I guess. Just don't ever acknowledge the information I gave you I guess and then it's like it doesn't exist!

[maladroit]

"You are the one that is trying to sidetrack the conversation at this point by trying to say that now we are talking about how I think that liberals hate america based on the posts on the forum. That's not what I was talking about, nor anyone else actually. You kind of just pulled that out of your ass."

- actually i pulled it directly out of your post in this thread where you wrote:
'I wonder how many posts, literally have been made just here at c dot about how "The rest of the world HATES America".
Probably more than can be counted, this has been a dogma from the left forever and ever.'

i disagree with your claims...i don't believe hating america is a liberal dogma, and i don't believe that liberals want america to fail, and i don't believe it's even a common sentiment on these forums...i went to your link, and read the posts, and they were criticisms of the US government that were years old, and at least two of them were made by americans


lemme ask you: do you love the american war on drugs? no? why do you hate america so much? it doesn't work like that


look at iran...you would think iranians totally hate america but they don't...they wear american clothes and eat american food and watch hours and hours of american tv/movies...iranians admire american democracy and american freedoms...but they don't like american government policies...it's like that in most of the rest of the world too...america is a great country with a not-so-great government:
USATODAY.com - 'America' no longer a dirty word in Iran

[B.Basher]

i disagree with your claims...i don't believe hating america is a liberal dogma, and i don't believe that liberals want america to fail, and i don't believe it's even a common sentiment on these forums...i went to your link, and read the posts, and they were criticisms of the US government that were years old


lemme ask you: do you love the american war on drugs? no? why do you hate america so much? it doesn't work like that


look at iran...you would think iranians totally hate america but they don't...they wear american clothes and eat american food and watch hours and hours of american tv/movies...iranians admire american democracy and american freedoms...but they don't like american government policies...it's like that in most of the rest of the world too...america is a great country with a not-so-great government

To be fair, I know tons of people that nurture the whole 'aah yeah, fuck America. America sucks, myaaah, myaaaah'.

Actually it takes all forms. You get the condescending abuse ("Americans just don't have a bloody clue do they?"), the not so middle man ("Some Americans are all right, but most of them are FUCKING DICKS!"), and then just the all out hatred ("Fuck America! I fucking hate ALL Americans!") <-- This is one is most found at parties and on the internet.

It's funny how people assume anti-Americanism is restricted to a particular mindset. "Oooh, its liberals trying to bring us down.", "It's jihadists!", "It's nihilists!" Mate, its fucking EVERYONE. Liberal is just a word you toss around. It doesn't take any kind of mindset to judge an asshole. It's a human condition.

Hope that makes both of you feel better :thumbsup: .

[maladroit]

you could be a bi-partisan diplomat and sew america back together!

[8182KSKUSH]

you didn't post a link

when someone makes a claim, the burden of proof lies on them to prove it...if you don't want to step up then i guess there wasn't really much to step on in the first place

i went through the first page of google results for fuck america site://boards.cannabis.com\

besides being YEARS old, they were criticisms of the american government...there: i did your work for you

Oh! OK! Geez so sorry. Actually I DID just post 2 links, you need to cut and paste them, but if that is the only thing holding you back, then here you go I guess?

Click Me IF YOU DARE!!! DIRECT "CLICKABLE" LINK TO THE FIRST SEARCH RESULTS!!

THIS IS THE SECOND LINK TO RESULTS FROM THE SECOND SET OF SEARCH OF "FUCK AMERICA".


Sorry if that's time too time consuming or too much trouble for you. I don't have to go in and pick every one out that is an example of what I am talking about, they are there. I have read them. And the ones I have read have been with in the last year. Again, I believe I have proven my point, but if I have to, I will post individual threads for you and THEN maybe you will get what I am saying. Let me know if it's too much trouble to look through the google results.

- actually i pulled it directly out of your post in this thread where you wrote:
'I wonder how many posts, literally have been made just here at c dot about how "The rest of the world HATES America".
Probably more than can be counted, this has been a dogma from the left forever and ever.'

Wow that's weird, me quoting you quoting me. Anyway, Show me where in that statement is says that liberals hate America.
It doesn't say that. It says that liberals have put forth the notion that the rest of the world does hate us, and that's what they have been saying forever. So assuming that they are correct, then why would the rest of the world, that according to the left hates us, support 1 candidate over another? If they hate us, you could assume they do not have our best interests at heart.
So again I say that this: you promptly pulled out of your ass the moment that I responded to this.

- can you show me some of those posts from the dogmatic left here that the world HATES america and they want to see america FAIL? i did a search and couldn't find a single one

cool logic: lemme try it out

liberals hate america...it's true because i read it on the internet somewhere...go look it up if you don't believe me

So yeah, as soon as I proved my point, you tried to take this converation down that road.

Somehow me answering your posts means that I think liberals hate america. OK fine then. I am satisfied with the points that I have made, and the responses to your posts. I really don't have any more to add, so there ya go I guess.:thumbsup:

[B.Basher]

Ha, that could be a negative or a positive judgement on my behalf . Either way it's true.

I think the more time you guys (ie. you politically divided Americans) argue about who's hating America, your losing ground on what you could be agreeing on or at the least, creating genuine debates out of real issues, silly men. If i'm talking about music or movies, I don't start with "but some people hate rock music/Bond movies". Who gives a fuck? Shouldn't you both be DEFENDING America instead? Don't you think people's judgements go beyond rudderless hate? Perhaps either one of your presidents could do well to curb this problem, don't you think? Who might that be?

I can't believe this is still an issue for you guys. Anti-American? Who the fuck invented the term anyway?



It'd be Obama