Why is socialism so bad?

[thcbongman]

Because you can't create a class of poor, economically dominated slaves if they're smart enough to know how bad they're being fucked.

Just look at the third world, where people are denied proper education, and yet go to work for American-based corporations for less than a dollar a day.

I should've been more precise. America already socializes some education K-12, but go no further. What America lacks is not only public free colleges, but trade schools that develop specialized skills. Development of these aspects would make America more prosperous. Why should any American incur debt to go to school unless they go to a private school?

But at least it isn't Africa.

[GoldenBoy812]

On a less serious note, here is an interesting opinion piece:

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986);

Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Fedral Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

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[DaBudhaStank]

On a less serious note, here is an interesting opinion piece:



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So are these like...bullet points on how we've failed as a nation to assist our own? Because I'd say they're pretty spot on. Socialism works; Social Capitalism, which we have, does not.

[DaBudhaStank]

I should've been more precise. America already socializes some education K-12, but go no further. What America lacks is not only public free colleges, but trade schools that develop specialized skills. Development of these aspects would make America more prosperous. Why should any American incur debt to go to school unless they go to a private school?

But at least it isn't Africa.

First, lol at the Africa comment. So, so terrible but still so, so funny.

Second, I agree. We raise our children so they can stay in debt for the rest of their lives to support a system that hates them. But then, its never been about making AMERICA proper prosperous, just corporate America. I've rethought my views on college and I say I am GLAD I'm not in one anymore. I no longer will have to pay off loans for the rest of my life so that I can struggle for years to find a halfway decent job. I'm also never ever going to own a credit card or a house, and if I buy a car it's gonna be old, used, and bought with cash straight up. Just a few more ways to never be in debt.

[daihashi]

First, lol at the Africa comment. So, so terrible but still so, so funny.

Second, I agree. We raise our children so they can stay in debt for the rest of their lives to support a system that hates them. But then, its never been about making AMERICA proper prosperous, just corporate America. I've rethought my views on college and I say I am GLAD I'm not in one anymore. I no longer will have to pay off loans for the rest of my life so that I can struggle for years to find a halfway decent job. I'm also never ever going to own a credit card or a house, and if I buy a car it's gonna be old, used, and bought with cash straight up. Just a few more ways to never be in debt.

A home is an investment as is an education. Also the loans for college do not take as long to pay back as you would anticipate.

I'm not big on credit cards.. I don't use them but I own 1. It is always beneficial to have at least 1 credit card especially in situations where there's an emergency.

[Cederfern]

First, lol at the Africa comment. So, so terrible but still so, so funny.

Second, I agree. We raise our children so they can stay in debt for the rest of their lives to support a system that hates them. But then, its never been about making AMERICA proper prosperous, just corporate America. I've rethought my views on college and I say I am GLAD I'm not in one anymore. I no longer will have to pay off loans for the rest of my life so that I can struggle for years to find a halfway decent job. I'm also never ever going to own a credit card or a house, and if I buy a car it's gonna be old, used, and bought with cash straight up. Just a few more ways to never be in debt.

:thumbsup: RIGHT ON YOU STANKY BUDHA!

have you heard about the republic of lakotah yet?

[thcbongman]

First, lol at the Africa comment. So, so terrible but still so, so funny.

Second, I agree. We raise our children so they can stay in debt for the rest of their lives to support a system that hates them. But then, its never been about making AMERICA proper prosperous, just corporate America. I've rethought my views on college and I say I am GLAD I'm not in one anymore. I no longer will have to pay off loans for the rest of my life so that I can struggle for years to find a halfway decent job. I'm also never ever going to own a credit card or a house, and if I buy a car it's gonna be old, used, and bought with cash straight up. Just a few more ways to never be in debt.

If you thought the africa comment was bad, I went out with a french girl and when I took her to NY, she asked where the trade towers were. It was so sick, but I couldn't help laughing because it was the dumbest shit I heard!

[Cederfern]

If you thought the africa comment was bad, I went out with a french girl and when I took her to NY, she asked where the trade towers were. It was so sick, but I couldn't help laughing because it was the dumbest shit I heard!

And lo and behold, the reason socialism is bad!



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[aceon9]

"Something as simple as an MRI...something used quite frequently to find cancer in the body is not used in Canada, they have to drive over the border for that."

- huh? we have MRI machines in canada (and not the flintstones version with a little bird inside the machine that creates the image with it's beak)...americans cross the border to get cheaper MRI's in canada
Canada MRI Scan Clinics for Radiology and Diagnostic Imaging Clinics in Canada

We are talking about universal health care, which doesn't include MRI's in canada. Your link is a site for "private" health care. So that means you have to pay for that. I on the other hand don't have to pay for my MRI's in US under my private health care. SO A. your wrong and B. I think that was a small point.

[aceon9]

[quote=delusionsofNORMALity]i felt a familiar dull throbbing behind my eyes as i read the rather predictable responses to my anarchistic bent. y'all have no idea how many time i have been asked to respond to those same cries of "burn the witch" or how tiresome it is to read the same "mad max" cliches and wild west stereotypes. just mentioning the term "anarchism" seems to bring to mind the image of some shadowy figure with a full shaggy beard and black stovepipe hat, skulking through gloom filled alleys to plant his bowling ball shaped bomb. it would seem that anarchists are universally despised. folks seem to pay little attention to the adjective i have painstakingly placed before that hated term or to question why such patience should be required.

You certainly know your stuff, but you have yet to show a working example.

You say that the begining of man started with the herd mentality.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

Of course Anarchism came first, it is more complicated to think of others than just ones self. Evolution dictates that.

The herd mentality came from the experience of living in anarchy

In fact anarchy is what we always start with. The creation of any government is to correct the problems of anarchy. Wheher it's a form of socialism, capitialism, communism or any other. It's well known that Anarchism doesn't work, it's just a matter of what the best solution is.

Cyberspace is the latest example of how easy Anarchy can go wrong. It worked great when it first started....when it was small and only used by a select group (people that mostly thought alike). Now since it is open to anybody, anywhere it is wrought with mis information and deviant behavior.

You were right the first time when you said that government was a necessary evil.
It is certainly necessary the question on the table here today is whether or not it should be absolute.