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12-04-2008, 09:58 PM #11
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Why is socialism so bad?
I was waiting for this comment. I disagree, and will provide an example.
Originally Posted by JakeMartinez
Say it takes me 10 hours to build a retaining wall. I can only work 5 days a week, and 10 hours per day (i can produce 1 wall in 1 work day). If i get a contract to produce 522 retaining walls in one year, under your asertation "Time is not a resource i can buy", i am unable to fullfill my contract. Since i cannot do anything to slow down the passing of days, my only other option is to purchase someone elses time.
Now say i hire another guy for 10 hrs per day, 5 days per week, and he produces a wall at the same speed as i do. I will now be able to fullfill my contract. You know how? Because i was able to purchase time from someone who was willing to sell it...
You could make the argument that abundance and sustainability are the enemies of a monopoly. You could make the argument that they are the enemies of an individual firm. You cannot however make the argument that they are the enemies of free markets because; in a free market, i can run my firm as i please. Therefore business profit is optional.Abundance and sustainability are ENEMIES of free markets, because they lower profits.
Care to provide an example of what i said that lead you to this conclusion?Every corporation is driven solely by profit. If what you say is true, then you must have learned free market theory from studying non-profit organizations.
You cannot expect me to accept your opinions and beliefs as fact.Also, the reason I'm done arguing with you over it is because you don't even listen.
Communism is a political system, where socialism is the economic system used under a communist government. MY example of the NEP was in response to your assertion that nobody should profit from working in the food/housing industries, combined with your belief that abundance and sustainability are counterintuitive with capitalism.You gave an example of the Russions, who were not only COMMUNISTS, NOT SOCIALISTS, but your example lacked two things I mentioned in my post.
THE EFFECTIVE MANAGEMENT OF USABLE RESOURCES AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW RESOURCES AND/OR THE IMPROVED USE OF OLD
It is the opposite though. Socialist systems have never outproduced capitalist systems. Until you offer some sort of proof otherwise, you are wrong.
Care to provide an example?The leftists failed to manage their resources because they were deluded into thinking that they could use everything and not worry about it. OF COURSE that's not a sustainable thinking.
Because you are absolutely wrong. If you are not wrong, than please provide some sort of evidence (other than an opinion) to strengthen the stance of your argument...Free markets fail to provide equality in a time when we could easily create more than enough to go around.
Why is that so hard to see?
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