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    #71
    Junior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    Ask a Hassid if a convert to Judism is a real Jew.
    They will never really be thought of by the real Jews as real Jews which is doubly funny because the whole thing is all make up to begin with.
    He who tells the stories ultimately controls the banks and some of us have been oh so busy telling stories.

    I am a Gloik and you must respect the Gloiks because being a Gloik is not only my genetic ethnicity but is my religion and largely determines my political views. Part of being a Gloik it that we are distinguished from you in very important ways with it is against my religion to fully explain but I can tell you that Gloiks are special and you are not. But don't get offended because being a Gloik entails special responsibilities to lead the people of the earth out of darkness so you really have it better than me because being non Goikish you don't have to live up to Gods expectations because you are not his pet people and Goiks are. Really I can't explain it to you--it's a Goik thing--but thank God I am a Goik--it makes my life so much richer and special, and people just like me are really more real than people like you--what ever people you may be.

    Probably one of those primitive tribes that thinks they are the only real human beings. No this comes in particularly handy during a crisis of a lack of brutality--but I can always remember that you are not really a real person not a fully formed one like the Goiks--and really God wants you dead anyway and he has put me here to test my faith by seeing if I am faithful enough to kill you without remorse.

    And we Goiks do not answer hollow retorical questions that really amount to the nitpicking of one whose nits deserve to be picked on. It's fundamental don't you see?

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    #72
    Junior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    More specifically the test is to see if I can kill you without remorse and still remain a good person--thats a real leader for you--you gotta believe in youself--fuck all this questioning.

    Did you know that the most successful people in this life
    are the happiest and the happiest most successful people accross the board have been pretty much shown to have the least realistic self-concept and views. They are the most self-deceived of any subset of persons, but they are successful and happy, cause that's what it takes. While people who have shown them selves to have consistently realistic views of themselves and life tend to be at least a bit depressed. So basically you are dealing with a situation where everything will eventually become itr's own opposite, everything is conflicted, and the the very initiation of any enterprise inherently carries the seeds of its own destruction--man will never really understand this in a functional way because they are genetically wired up not to see it--even though this self-deception and the lack of the ability to see it taking place as one sees one move thier arem or their bowels or liver or brain--so until this natural predisposition is able to be seen in oneself, and what one considers the world, all motive are conflicted and all personality is just a constelation of compulsive complexes--yet this seeminly dire news, like everything, has it's other side. Whether we humans can take hold of this other side and abide with it, that is the question. If we can't there will never be action in oneself or the world that is not born--based--and itself one form of conflict or another. Whether this can be done or not is pretty much gonna determine human destiny--like whether humans really have any destiny or are just doomed to enless exitless deep conflict, never escaping the charged nature of their own nervous systems or coming to know a less limited themselves of compassion and joy. Their lives remain another rerun of a barely interesting situation comedy based on superficial insults and accidents.

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    #73
    Senior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by foxfire342
    without economic freedom you cannot have personal freedom.
    THIS is precisely what is wrong with our society, summed up in a sentence. If you don't have money you arent free. Well guess what, if you HAVE money, you're in a much deeper, darker prison than those without. The only TRUE way to actually HAVE freedom is to NOT have money. You can't have corporate, capitalist, CONSUMER freedom without money; this is true, but what kind of freedom is that?

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    #74
    Junior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    We have socialism in America! :thumbsup: But, it only applies to institutions that are, "Too big to fail". :wtf:

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    #75
    Senior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by anomaloustango
    I think it's rather funny that the conservatives are always refering to the founding fathers and what not. If they even had the slightest knowledge of history they would know that the very figures that they hold up as standards and ideals were themselves mostly liberals. That's right Jefferson, Franklin, Rosseau, Voltaire, even Washington they were the fuition of a great liberal movement that started with the Renessance and then reemerged stronger in the Enlightenment. Now they were all products of their time so their liberal then is not ours now, but I can assure you that the conservatives were in favor of the royals holding all property and power and anyone who went against them was a liberal in that they believed in the equality of man before the law--a liberal--even revolutionary concept of the time--and the two great liberal movements, in France and America based themselves in a romaticised ideal of Ancient Greece and took it's notion of personal liberity from the Germanic peoples who replaced the Romans empire and who we know as all the various European strains--all Germanic--even Sanskrit comes from an archaic Germanic language. The whole movement of history is away from the conservative notions of power and toward a more equitable and higer notion of the value of a human being. The United States is already what you fear, but only for the power elite--they have socialism plus--they have just initiated the largest shift in wealth form the middle class to the upper in the history of history. Your notions of what capitalism actually is are distorted. You would not want to live in a purely capitalist country it would be hell, it would be like living in a world run by the mafia where only power and posessions counted for anything and these were continually irrevocably more and more concentrated in the hand of fewer and fewer families whose opinions would count billions of times more than you own, it would be a land were every road was a toll road and the price increased during rush hour. Listen when I was a young lad the average MD made about $25,000 a year--cared about his patients--who he actually was able to spend time with and made housecalls for a few bucks extra. Now most MD expect to be millionares by the time they are in their forties and care mostly about prestige possessions. This is just a fact when the difference between the rich and poor becomes so great as it has the entire society becomes focused on prestige possessions. When there is more equality of income the societies attentions are more focused on civic and human relationships. Also this always comes before the fall of a great country or empire, such as Rome where the income differential went from about 40-1 during the republic to the type of astonomical ratios we have today. I can't imagine how blind a person must be to be living through the first spasms of the fall of our nation as we have known it, as we are living through now, and think that the forces of unrestricted market speculation and gambling should not only go on as it has, but be more unrestricted and therefore coercive against everyone not in a privilaged position such as the CEOs and Power Elite who steer us from one crisis to another knowing we can always be divided by the slightest red herring, like flag burning, or gay marriage, so we are no threat to the shady money men who pull the strings and cause you to take up a polarized political position, which are both naive and ultimately self-defeating and futile, as regards the real values of human life and organization.
    You refer to classic liberalism and it has nothing to do with liberalism today. Also you confuse the classic liberal movements that occurred in America and France. But they are vastly different.

    In America, It's life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    In France, it's freedom, equality, fraternity.

    I hope this helps you understand why France is more socialist than America will be. No where in the constitution did it dictate the redistribution of wealth, just how many can operate to be free.

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    #76
    Senior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    if we're judging countries by their slogans, what is the differentce between freedom and liberty?

    canada's slogan is peace, order, and good government...we don't have any freedom or liberty!

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    #77
    Senior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by maladroit
    if we're judging countries by their slogans, what is the differentce between freedom and liberty?

    canada's slogan is peace, order, and good government...we don't have any freedom or liberty!
    Those words represent their emancipation, The American Revolution and French Revolution which occurred only decades apart.

    However the last two words of the French slogan, equality and fraternity, describe socialism to a tee. It's a brotherhood and everyone is to be equal and part of their application of wealth distribution.

    While America "life and pursuit of happiness" represent economic freedom and self-interest, which pretty much reflects on the society today. Those words are still representative of it's meaning over 200 years later.

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    #78
    Senior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by thcbongman
    Those words represent their emancipation, The American Revolution and French Revolution which occurred only decades apart.

    However the last two words of the French slogan, equality and fraternity, describe socialism to a tee. It's a brotherhood and everyone is to be equal and part of their application of wealth distribution.

    While America "life and pursuit of happiness" represent economic freedom and self-interest, which pretty much reflects on the society today. Those words are still representative of it's meaning over 200 years later.
    Is that representative of a "Screw you Jack I'm alright attitude" ?

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    #79
    Senior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by psychocat
    Is that representative of a "Screw you Jack I'm alright attitude" ?
    Precisely :thumbsup:

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    #80
    Senior Member

    Why is socialism so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by thcbongman
    Precisely :thumbsup:
    And there was me thinking that because of that attitude I was a complete arsehole when in fact I am a living example of the American dream :thumbsup:

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