Quote Originally Posted by GoldenBoy812

Secondly, there is not a free market in regards to healthcare... It's heavy regulations here in the US lead to an oligopoly of firms. State regulatins alone in regards to insurance completely distorts the market.
exactly, Im not arguing for socialism. Trust me, Im acutely aware that "those that much is given, much is needed" My point is that socialism already exists on a large level. We dont have a completely free market and having seen a social healthcare at work. I would like to see it in this country. I would be willing to give up welfare, food stamps, and half of the disability cases to pay for healthcare. I think its that important. I just dont understand how someone really thinks that welfare, food stamps, and disability are not social programs and enable fools to sit on their ass all day. trust me, I have two close people in my life that collect disability (in my opinion needlessly) and dont give anything back to society... or even put in so much that they deserve to sit on their ass all day. yet, despite our anit-socialism rhetoric our gov't sends them a check every month! Thats FUCKING socialistic!