Why is socialism so bad?

[IAmKowalski]

I love it!:thumbsup:
You are probably better off talking to your plants though! The "True Believers" they are many here!
Sadly though, we already have socialist programs and have had them for some time. I have realized that we are on the fast track to this if someone doesn't step up in the next 20 years and straighten shit up quick fast and in a hurry. (And apparently McCain ain't the one to do it, but of course on the other hand you have...duhdaduah! So of course I will support McCain.)(Lesser of 2 evils, another thread).
I have never, in my life, ever, met anyone that attributes their life's success to any kind of "social, welfare program." Never.
Not ever.
You know, like, "Aw, thank you, thank you, I would like to thank so and so and oh yeah, I could have never made it to where I am today if it were not for my subsidized housing and welfare food stamps! Thank you big brother for "helping" me out.Golly, I could have never done it without you,"
and of course, Big Brother saying all the while,
"yes you are helpless, and you can't make it without my help, that's why it's so important to vote for me, the other guy is rich and he hates poor people. And he has all your money you should have, (if you actually worked of course) and you have no chance now, the rich guy has all the money there will ever be and there's none left for you yes!!!"
Does anyone not clearly see why it is not a good thing for the "people" to become dependant on the federal government?
How would you feel if the government legalized cannabis, but only goverment grown cannabis. They of course use a secret police to literally destroy any and all remnants of any other cannabis genetics, except for theirs, (which in the hypothetical scenario, sucks.) Then they make you go to one place, that is 100 times more crowded and slow than the post office if the people from the DMV were all filling in. And you get 1 gram, per day, that's it, because that's the way it is because that's what big brother says. Digg.
Everyone gets cannabis now if they want it, and everyone gets the same too, so there is no more "oh waa, I only get this and so and so gets that", everyone just gets the same, shit ass brick. Oh and did I mention the gram included seeds that were sterile and stems.
So is that what you want?
Of course the joke here is that even as a socialist republic we would still not legalize cannabis. But just a scenario folks could relate to.

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IAmKowalski Reviewed by IAmKowalski on 10-28-2008. Why is socialism so bad? Hello Everyone! I have been following the presidential race and the arguments in these forums for the past few weeks. One of the new issues is SOCIALISM. I lived in the United States for 17 years, but moved back to my home country of Finland a couple years ago. Finland is a Socialist Democracy. We have free health care, free education through your bachelor's degree (when you turn 18, the gov. also pays for 80% of your rent and grocery money(240â?¬/month), and allows you to take out Rating: 5

[Fugitive]

I think the current form of socialism is a damaging and false ideology. This relatively new socialist experiment in Europe, I believe, will be detrimental in the long run. This may sound harsh, but it is essentially funding the lazy and incompetent. As well as encouraging them to breed (more children more money).

If you don't contribute to society then society should not contribute to you. Following that logic I would be in favour of healthcare for those who work or are incapable because of disease or handicap. I would also agree to scholarships for good students. I believe with the money saved people who truly need help will get more attention.

AT THE VERY least the people on welfare should get a job list they can accept or refuse for two months. If they keep refusing and are perfectly able, then the funding should not continue. I know that businesses are turning to china and it leaves many people unemployed . . . but aren't we always told we need immigrants to fill jobs? Something doesn't add up.

[maladroit]

whatever the usa is doing is even more damaging because it's resulted in:

- $10.5 trillion national debt
- 45 million people with NO health insurance
- another 40 million people with inadequate health insurance
- substandard health outcomes compared to other developed countries
- substandard education compared to other developed countries

that doesn't mean the usa is a terrible place, or that i hate the usa...it means the usa government is not doing a very good job of protecting and promoting the public interest...it's up to the people to demand more from their government (and not just more tax cuts)

[JaySin]

IamKowalski, brilliant post!

Health care shouldn't be a luxury that only the wealthy can afford.

[stoned88911]

Ur right i dont have insurance problems

Because im not lazy and i work and make a buncha money.

Im sorry u should get insurance or a job with insurance benefits.

And im so glad my goverment doesnt take my very hard earned money and give it to the person who stays home all day and watches tv. Becuase they deserve nothing from the goverment GET JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!

[stoned88911]

whatever the usa is doing is even more damaging because it's resulted in:

- $10.5 trillion national debt
- 45 million people with NO health insurance
- another 40 million people with inadequate health insurance
- substandard health outcomes compared to other developed countries
- substandard education compared to other developed countries

that doesn't mean the usa is a terrible place, or that i hate the usa...it means the usa government is not doing a very good job of protecting and promoting the public interest...it's up to the people to demand more from their government (and not just more tax cuts)

Sounds like usa has 45 million lazy people.

No reason to steal from the hard working.

[JaySin]

Sounds like usa has 45 million lazy people.

No reason to steal from the hard working.

You're statement is so full of BS.

I have several friends that work VERY HARD and even put in overtime whenever possible. Yet they can not afford health care or schooling because they need to pay for their living expenses. Yet the extra money they do make they give to their family because they are not greedy slobs. Now if only we could only see all of America as our family like we should, then everyone would have the chance to be healthy and educated and get a decent job.

People aren't lazy just cause they want to be. People are lazy because we put them there. America makes goals harder to obtain then they need to be. So even if someone is working really hard and making their way up, they are forced back down because of a medical bill. Why should people work and try to contribute to society if society doesn't even give a fuck about them or their health?

If you are going to try and fight how much of a good idea socialized health care and education is, maybe you should provide some useful arguments instead of some disgusting generalizations.

[stoned88911]

Please go to a socialist country.


Goverment is suposed to supply people wth diffence.

Not pay there bills, buy insurance, or wipe are butts.

Ya socialism sounds good, ya sounds sweet dont have to work as hard to get good things, why wouldnt anyone want that.

Oh ya if we do that, we wont have the largest military.

Im sure your not worried about it u didnt live threw ww1 or ww2 and neither did i.
But when ww3 comes, and dont kid urself it WILL HAPPEN, id rather have trouble paying for insurance then having to dig a hole to live in.

[IAmKowalski]

Please go to a socialist country.


Goverment is suposed to supply people wth diffence.

Not pay there bills, buy insurance, or wipe are butts.

Ya socialism sounds good, ya sounds sweet dont have to work as hard to get good things, why wouldnt anyone want that.

Oh ya if we do that, we wont have the largest military.

Im sure your not worried about it u didnt live threw ww1 or ww2 and neither did i.
But when ww3 comes, and dont kid urself it WILL HAPPEN, id rather have trouble paying for insurance then having to dig a hole to live in.

Wow. Just Wow.

[GrinKyle]

Please go to a socialist country.


Goverment is suposed to supply people wth diffence.

Not pay there bills, buy insurance, or wipe are butts.

Ya socialism sounds good, ya sounds sweet dont have to work as hard to get good things, why wouldnt anyone want that.

Oh ya if we do that, we wont have the largest military.

Im sure your not worried about it u didnt live threw ww1 or ww2 and neither did i.
But when ww3 comes, and dont kid urself it WILL HAPPEN, id rather have trouble paying for insurance then having to dig a hole to live in.

Are you in fantasy land?

Or do you actually think this way on a daily basis?