i cant get seeds to grow?

[TheXFactor]

sorry all for being rude and an asshole.

without sounding conceded my growing experience is not limited, just to the indoors.. i worked on a vegtable/flower farm/ some rich dudes personal property, but was guided by U of W horticultualist, nice smart guy and i learned alot... but prior and after that i had spent day in day out on OG, thats where my interest was sparked, maybe 3-5 yrs ago.


and in that time i read every FAQ, every troubleshooting guide, ive grown plants and harvested(cannabis) i ran into problems but also solved them.

i havent been involved with growing or literature for about a year or so, ive read almost every link and thread here in the last month or 2 ive also read, indoor growing and hydro by george van pattern.. ive posted my ow n threads with pictures and everything and i am embarassed that i posted a thread how do u start ur seeds/seedlings.

Stinky, i repotted 3 last night, but added fresh MG seedling mix... The roots looked healthy but thin. were white, with the little hairs, and had made their way to the bottom of the cup, but they did were just very fine and few.

now i have 3 sprouted seeds buried under a quater inch of soil MG seedling mix. a lot of peat. some perlite and vermiculite. watered well till a few drips of water come out... the same as i have done in the past... ive had no problem germinating and sprouting, its just right after they sprout and begin growing they stop, change colors some go light but others mainly have a red stem, blue vein on the leaves, then curl under, and get big blotches on 2/3 of the leaf and then growing pretty much stops.

E-indoor
E-soil,
E-specific medium dixi cup 3" and others are in 6 inch round pots with plenty of air holes.
CSL-Soil type/brand mg seedling mix, and other are happy frog.

SCL-Anything you have added to the soil, ph 6.3-6.6 water
SCLR-Soil
E-Water source - nursey water
E-Source water pH 6.3-6.6

E-2 weeks, 3 weeks, and 6 weeks.
E-Type of fertilizer... none
E-Lighting source and distance from plant the youngest are under 65 w cfl 6500k at about 3-5inches, and 3 others are under a MH 400W at 24 inches
E-72-75
HD-Reservoir temperature do not know
E-Air % Relative humidity 50%
E-Lighting schedule cfl is on 24hr mh is on 18/6
E-Type of ventilation your room has fan pulling air in, from one flange and in from another, no air filter set up, and a occilating fan on the pots.
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution? no.

[bluntwiz]

I would personnally not use MG soil.. heard too many bad things about it.
maybe try changing up your soil?

good luck anyway =)

[Rusty Trichome]

Thin white growing tips are a good sign. Means those particular roots are healthy. Mushy spots with brown/black tips is a bad thing, tho.

A few things I see right off the bat...
WTF is nursery water, and what's wrong with your tap water?
Do you have a way to raise the ph a tad...? I keep mine at 6.6 to 6.8 unless run-off dictates I adjust.
Why haven't you given any ferts yet? I'm pretty sure MG seedling mix has no nutes. Scotts Canada Home: Miracle-Gro�® Seed Starting Potting Mix

When the leaves get 'splotches' on 'em, what color are the leaves and splotches? If the leaves are yellow-green, or just yellow, with greyish blotches...it's likely overwatering (root damage/root rot) or funky ph.
Any chance you can check run-off ph, to see what the soil is doing to your ph? If the soil is fresh, unused, and you haven't added additional nutes, it shouldn't affect the ph this soon.

Do you spray the plants? If so, why? With what? How often?

When you do start using nutes, when do you start, what kind(s) do you use for veg, and at what dilution?
Lighting: could be a tad closer. But keep in mind, the closer the lights, the more diligent you'll have to be with soil moisture. Especially with the smaller pots and cups. Which is kinda good anyways. Helps dry-out all of the root zones prior to it's next watering.

I would personnally not use MG soil.. heard too many bad things about it.
maybe try changing up your soil?
good luck anyway =)

Hey blunt...you've written this statement before, and I comment about it every time I see it. Have you ever grown cannabis with the stuff...? I have. I started-out using it years ago when I had no options. Germinated seeds, rooted clones, and brought them to full harvest with little to no problems. (was just learning my techniques) And actually...it helped me learn how to recognize when and how much to nute, since the MG nutes run-out about a month after transplant.
Sure gets old hearing this bullshit that MG soil is no good. Some gardeners do have the actual ability to adjust, so no...it's not the MG that sucks...it's the gardeners inability to adapt that sucks.

[Dutch Pimp]

...http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...acle-grow.html

[stinkyattic]

Couple comments.
Turn your fan around so you are actually pulling air OUT. This is much more efficient, and the correct configuration for an indoor exhaust.
Are you commenting that MG soil contains a lot of peat or did you ADD a lot of peat? Peat is a useful soil amendment in sandy outdoor gardens, and to make mixes, but needs lime added as well at the time of mixing.
Your source water is a bit low, especially for use in a peat-based medium.

The switch from outdoor to indoor growing is especially difficult for nursery professionals. I have one for a consulting client, who ran a perennials farm his entire career, and has several significant and serious, but easily fixable, issues after making the switch. The shift in mindset can be painful! Luckily, cannabis is a great painkiller

Can you post up pictures of your seedlings, the area they are in, and a broad shot of the room as it is configured? Sometimes the answer is a big OH, DUH! when things seem right on paper, but something just isn't right.

Also, tell me about your watering style. You answered teh reservoir question- are you running automated drip? Seedlings should always be hand watered, and lightly!

[TheXFactor]

Couple comments.
Turn your fan around so you are actually pulling air OUT. This is much more efficient, and the correct configuration for an indoor exhaust.
Are you commenting that MG soil contains a lot of peat or did you ADD a lot of peat? Peat is a useful soil amendment in sandy outdoor gardens, and to make mixes, but needs lime added as well at the time of mixing.
Your source water is a bit low, especially for use in a peat-based medium.

The switch from outdoor to indoor growing is especially difficult for nursery professionals. I have one for a consulting client, who ran a perennials farm his entire career, and has several significant and serious, but easily fixable, issues after making the switch. The shift in mindset can be painful! Luckily, cannabis is a great painkiller

Can you post up pictures of your seedlings, the area they are in, and a broad shot of the room as it is configured? Sometimes the answer is a big OH, DUH! when things seem right on paper, but something just isn't right.

Also, tell me about your watering style. You answered teh reservoir question- are you running automated drip? Seedlings should always be hand watered, and lightly!

this MG has a lot of peat, i did not at more. just took right as is out of the bag, and quite honeslty in the laST 48 hours one plant is now beginning well it looks like its exploding in growth its only on the first node but the 2 leaves are bigger than any others ive grown so far(its till early to tell though)... so maybe it is the MG now helping... i understand happyfrogs it topline shit, it might be to much for this... to keep that variable the same would be stupid so....


as for watering them, the first water, practically as a seed, i water till it drips then i let it dry completely and the seed should have popped the surface already then i just add 1/3 the water i did the first time, just enough water to maintain moisture but by the time the water settles is already drying up as to not overwater....

no fertz yet... they too young. (so whoever said start feeding, things like that is what pisses me off on here)

the fan has been set up to pull air our the top, and it suck it in from the side... its a homebox tent.

also the reason im using nursrey water is b/c i want to wait till the plants get older before i give them tap water...my area my have chlorine bleach mixture. so i dont want even bother with that.


pics will come soon but not soon enough

[Rusty Trichome]

they have 2 distinct looking problems, one strain hawaiiXhaze looks extremely deficient in nit. but i cant fert it... its almost 2 months old, 5 inches tall on its 3rd node but not a single leaf is fully grown.

no fertz yet... they too young. (so whoever said start feeding, things like that is what pisses me off on here)

Around two months old, and still haven't started a nutrient regimine? With regular old MG Potting mix, I was adding half-strength nutes by week four after seedlings appear.
And just so I won't take the chance of pissing-off an ingrateful newbie by taking the time to help them adjust their obviously inadequate techniques...I've now got you on ignore.
Feel free to get pissed all you want, and good luck. :jointsmile:

[TheXFactor]

Around two months old, and still haven't started a nutrient regimine? With regular old MG Potting mix, I was adding half-strength nutes by week four after seedlings appear.
And just so I won't take the chance of pissing-off an ingrateful newbie by taking the time to help them adjust their obviously inadequate techniques...I've now got you on ignore.
Feel free to get pissed all you want, and good luck. :jointsmile:

when i get some pics, you'll say, wow, glad you didnt feed, they were soo small...

or should i have fed them, you would say, why would u do that, they're so small.

btw i just started using the MG in 3 already growing plants(seedlings), and 3 more i just planted(germinated seeds). so the problems were before the MG when i was using Happyfrog(top quality shit). so i highly doubt their arent enough nute in there... in the past 2 months ive fed plants that look very similar to these and the food just kills them.. ay ya eye. ill just create a new account and change the attitude i put on display i wonder if ill still get bozo ideas. i wonder if u ever notice its me. chances are u will cuz im such an individual

[stinkyattic]

I see a problem.
You are drenching the soil with seed, before there are roots to uptake the water, and it sits there and stagnates, and keeps oxygen from getting to the roots, as well as allowing chemical reactions among the components of the fertilizer in the soil, and the soil itself.
Water new seedlings LIGHTLY, to JUST MOISTEN the soil around where the actual seed and its root are.

Edit: SAME TEAM!!! SAME TEAM!!!:hippy:

[TheXFactor]

well update, for now things are starting to really turn around and quick... man i love how when u fix the problem with a plant, they respond relatively quickly.... i think as sticky mentioned, wheni plant them i over did the water, and the happy is such a great soil its also kind dense when watered like that. so im thinking the root were being starved of oxygen, nutes, halting everything as soon as they needed more and more nutes, and surprising the MG is well turning into a miracle.

i hope im now on the path to goodness without hiccups... but who knows whats next. im glad i can independantly think, because its now obvious to me that with or w/o pics or with or with out the needed info, none of you are much help but thanks for trying. if u want something done right do it yourself.. ill post pics later..

I would personnally not use MG soil.. heard too many bad things about it.
maybe try changing up your soil?

good luck anyway =)

well heres once, atleast for now you've heard something great about it... so careful with your advice.