palin's waist of $$$$

[headshake]

It would only be a dishonest affectation if you introduced yourself as The Honorable Reverend Doctor JaySin. lol. I fail to see how a nickname that does not imply advanced degrees or some other elevated status would be dishonest. Hell, I got one 6'4 buddy who we often call Shorty. I guess THAT is less than accurate...

af·fec·ta·tion (āf'ěk-tā'shən) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. A show, pretense, or display.
2.
1. Behavior that is assumed rather than natural; artificiality.
2. A particular habit, as of speech or dress, adopted to give a false impression.

i'm not arguing with you stinky, i think you are one of the smartest, most educated people on this board (sorry, been going through some of the LED grow light forums mess), but to me that sounds like affectation to me.

if you are an individual such as barack, with different ethnic backgrounds, and barack hussein obama II is your given name and you introduce yourself as barry (which sounds like an attempt to separate from your african heritage, just an assumption obviously) is that not a habit to give a false impression?

when he goes to predominantly black schools and starts talking this "we are gonna do this and we are gonna take over the whitehouse" i'm pretty sure he's not talking about his party. this is gonna be a ground breaking election either way, but if barack does get elected will it only be a half as grounbreaking because he is only half black? at least palin is 100% woman....as far as we know. (maybe the $150,000 wasn't for clothes. and there was more than just a conference in new york.)

i personally would want people to call me by my nickname and not my given name, even if i decided to foray into politics. (which is where i'd like to end up someday actually, but for the RIGHT reasons!) there are several reasons for this, one is i don't particularly like my given name. also, i'm a third, and i don't like my dad at all. okay, i don't know my dad at all. why would i want to go by a name given to me to carry on a tradition when there really is no tradition to carry on with no dad there? so i will not stop going by my nickname if the political career does happen to materialize. why would he?
if fellow politicians decided to call me by my given name it wouldn't bother me.

once again, if it's good enough for your friends and family why is it not good enough for a nation you want to lead? as soon as you get into politics you decided to go by your given name and for what reason? his campaign message is change right? i guess that meant change your name, not the country! maybe, like me he didn't like his dad? (i don't know much about barack's personal life.) but in my opinion, he more than likely did it to get the black vote, and the muslim vote too.

personally i don't care what color you are or what they call you, as long as you can lead this country in the right direction. take control away from corporations and put it back into the hands of the people. the lobbyist situation in washington is getting out of control. stop putting people that have the right to protest on terrorist watch lists. America is heading down a bad road indeed. Dark days. i believe that we will see civil war in my lifetime. i'm 29. if not mine, my kids for sure. and it's gonna take a lot more than a name, campaign slogan or anything else to get it done.

we need health care for everyone. we have to take the power from the large drug companies. i think that would help alleviate a lot of the economical problems that this country has. well obviously not as much now, thanks to all of this mortgage crap. where was washington then? oh yeah, they just gave them all of OUR money to bail them out. and maybe the can make some money out of this ordeal (but this is our government we are talking about, they did just add a paper dollar sign to the national deficit counter so they could use left-most display to add another number!) what took so long? that's America for you, one big corporation! it's disgusting and makes my stomach hurt.

not to mention we need education for everyone, immigration and taxes fixed (the irs still owes back taxes i believe). that's just to name a few. medicare and social security are set to run out soon. in the next couple of years (i can't remember, maybe '09 one will be paying out more than it is taking in and the other one will follow suit shortly). and by what, 2030 or whatever it was, maybe a little later, they will be out of money in the surplus for those programs. they knew it would fail when they setup social secuirty. WTF! thanks lbj. the whole insurance fiasco was probably one of the worst decisions in the history of america.

don't get me started on the prison system overhaul that needs to happen, as well as the reform of laws between the federal and state levels. especially drug laws (our favorite herb legalized being number one!) how is it that we can have state and federal laws that are in direct confliction?

maybe an eye for an eye mentality would help some there?

i'll stop ranting now. sorry. i'm just passionate about this country (i was a marine, and i've been around the world, i've seen some real sh*tholes and bogus governments.) it just pisses me off to see americans taken advantage of and lied to. and i hate seeing the seperation of classes expanding. there is enough money for everyone to live comfortably. but we have to do what they say when we are under there thumb.

if barack wins, he will be the first senator to become president since jfk if i'm not mistaken. and i think we all remember what happend to him.....

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

af·fec·ta·tion (āf'ěk-tā'shən) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. A show, pretense, or display.
2.
1. Behavior that is assumed rather than natural; artificiality.
2. A particular habit, as of speech or dress, adopted to give a false impression.

i'm not arguing with you stinky, i think you are one of the smartest, most educated people on this board (sorry, been going through some of the LED grow light forums mess), but to me that sounds like affectation to me.

if you are an individual such as barack, with different ethnic backgrounds, and barack hussein obama II is your given name and you introduce yourself as barry (which sounds like an attempt to separate from your african heritage, just an assumption obviously) is that not a habit to give a false impression?

when he goes to predominantly black schools and starts talking this "we are gonna do this and we are gonna take over the whitehouse" i'm pretty sure he's not talking about his party. this is gonna be a ground breaking election either way, but if barack does get elected will it only be a half as grounbreaking because he is only half black? at least palin is 100% woman....as far as we know. (maybe the $150,000 wasn't for clothes. and there was more than just a conference in new york.)

i personally would want people to call me by my nickname and not my given name, even if i decided to foray into politics. (which is where i'd like to end up someday actually, but for the RIGHT reasons!) there are several reasons for this, one is i don't particularly like my given name. also, i'm a third, and i don't like my dad at all. okay, i don't know my dad at all. why would i want to go by a name given to me to carry on a tradition when there really is no tradition to carry on with no dad there? so i will not stop going by my nickname if the political career does happen to materialize. why would he?
if fellow politicians decided to call me by my given name it wouldn't bother me.

once again, if it's good enough for your friends and family why is it not good enough for a nation you want to lead? as soon as you get into politics you decided to go by your given name and for what reason? his campaign message is change right? i guess that meant change your name, not the country! maybe, like me he didn't like his dad? (i don't know much about barack's personal life.) but in my opinion, he more than likely did it to get the black vote, and the muslim vote too.

personally i don't care what color you are or what they call you, as long as you can lead this country in the right direction. take control away from corporations and put it back into the hands of the people. the lobbyist situation in washington is getting out of control. stop putting people that have the right to protest on terrorist watch lists. America is heading down a bad road indeed. Dark days. i believe that we will see civil war in my lifetime. i'm 29. if not mine, my kids for sure. and it's gonna take a lot more than a name, campaign slogan or anything else to get it done.

we need health care for everyone. we have to take the power from the large drug companies. i think that would help alleviate a lot of the economical problems that this country has. well obviously not as much now, thanks to all of this mortgage crap. where was washington then? oh yeah, they just gave them all of OUR money to bail them out. and maybe the can make some money out of this ordeal (but this is our government we are talking about, they did just add a paper dollar sign to the national deficit counter so they could use left-most display to add another number!) what took so long? that's America for you, one big corporation! it's disgusting and makes my stomach hurt.

not to mention we need education for everyone, immigration and taxes fixed (the irs still owes back taxes i believe). that's just to name a few. medicare and social security are set to run out soon. in the next couple of years (i can't remember, maybe '09 one will be paying out more than it is taking in and the other one will follow suit shortly). and by what, 2030 or whatever it was, maybe a little later, they will be out of money in the surplus for those programs. they knew it would fail when they setup social secuirty. WTF! thanks lbj. the whole insurance fiasco was probably one of the worst decisions in the history of america.

don't get me started on the prison system overhaul that needs to happen, as well as the reform of laws between the federal and state levels. especially drug laws (our favorite herb legalized being number one!) how is it that we can have state and federal laws that are in direct confliction?

maybe an eye for an eye mentality would help some there?

i'll stop ranting now. sorry. i'm just passionate about this country (i was a marine, and i've been around the world, i've seen some real sh*tholes and bogus governments.) it just pisses me off to see americans taken advantage of and lied to. and i hate seeing the seperation of classes expanding. there is enough money for everyone to live comfortably. but we have to do what they say when we are under there thumb.

if barack wins, he will be the first senator to become president since jfk if i'm not mistaken. and i think we all remember what happend to him.....

-shake

lol, i don't know shake, are you for or against?

[stinkyattic]

Headshake, I'm not ignoring your valid points, I just don't have time to discuss any deeper- I gotta get moving; supposed to be slinging Polynesian cocktails in 5...4...3...2...

it's like if Billy Joel decided to run for office under the name William
Joel, while it would in fact be his given name, it's not the name he
has always been known by and so, it would be an affectation and
therefore, dishonest.

Dude. It's the name on his drivers' license. How the heck is that dishonest? Not tracking... lol.

I'm concerned about substance over title. You want to pick an issue, this one is at the very BOTTOM of the importance barrel IMVHO.

A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet...

[justanotherbozo]

Headshake, I'm not ignoring your valid points, I just don't have time to discuss any deeper- I gotta get moving; supposed to be slinging Polynesian cocktails in 5...4...3...2...

Dude. It's the name on his drivers' license. How the heck is that dishonest? Not tracking... lol.

I'm concerned about substance over title. You want to pick an issue, this one is at the very BOTTOM of the importance barrel IMVHO.

A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet...

lol, i agree completely that his name is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

his name only came up as a side thing between Breukelen advocaat and i, here is the post i refer to

"Breukelen advocaat -- There is nothing wrong with calling Barack Obama by the name "Barry", but he's not known by this in his public life today and it can be confusing. I would think that "Barry" is the name his wife, family and friends call him."

and my response

"justanotherbozo -- Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
There is nothing wrong with calling Barack Obama by the name "Barry", but he's not known by this in his public life today and it can be confusing. I would think that "Barry" is the name his wife and family call him.


i call him that because that was his name until he entered politics.
to me, that makes it an affectation and vaguely dishonest.

my intent is also to be somewhat dismissive and derisive"

lol, i had no idea that would result in such a long discussion of his name.

[JaySin]

Barack was not made famous under the name 'Barry'. So it is hardly being dishonest. It is a nickname between a smaller group of people. Now if it was a nickname that the whole country new him by and he ran with his real name instead of his nickname, then it may be dishonest. If that were the case, then I would suggest something like Barack 'Barry' Obama.

[justanotherbozo]

ROTFLMAO

[JaySin]

Nice response.

Now that we've gone completely off topic, (Seems to be the typical republican defense) maybe we should go back to trying to figure out why a group of people would need over 20,000 each for a new wardrobe?

[Psycho4Bud]

I'd imagine that the name "Barry" come into play when momma dumped lil' Barack off at grandma's doorstep to go romping back to Indonesia. (Whoops, he come from a POOR family right?) "This is my grandson, lil' Barack Hussein"; not at grandma's house! This is lil' Barry. Nothing wrong with that, I'm sure if his first name was Saddam grandma would have called him lil' Sammy.

Have a good one!:s4:

[headshake]

lol, i don't know shake, are you for or against?

i'm not republican or democrat. i'm a best person for the job person. i refuse to limit myself to a certain train of thought due to a title. but to answer your question bozo, against!

sorry to get off topic guys. and yeah, $150,000 is a bit excessive for clothing. did oprah take her shopping? they should just have donated that money and let her campaign in her "rags".

there needs to be some kind of cap to the amount of money parties can use to campaign. ridiculous.

-shake

[Psycho4Bud]

sorry to get off topic guys. and yeah, $150,000 is a bit excessive for clothing. did oprah take her shopping?

Everybody wants a candidate that can relate to them in a fiscal sense and then when one comes along she's ignorant, etc.. MAYBE the reason that they bought the clothing is to keep her up with the million dollar men that are the other candidates.

they should just have donated that money and let her campaign in her "rags".

Reminds me of the story about cheap Joe Biden's donations:

Gross Income Charity

1998 $215,432 $195
1999 $210,797 $120
2000 $219,953 $360
2001 $220,712 $360
2002 $227,811 $260
2003 $231,375 $260
2004 $234,271 $380
2005 $321,379 $380
2006 $248,459 $380
2007 $319,853 $995

Total $2,450,042 $3,690

But of course, in his words, it's patriotic to give.

Have a good one!:s4: