for the older batch it is day 20, the rest are 6-7 days behind, and catching up fast, i just moved 5 out of 8 indoor, and left 3 outdoor for now, i don't have enough room, until i move them to the attic, but i ended up buying a 6 pack of 26wat CFL's a damn good deal for 10 dollars plus tax, i will have to get more when they get bigger, also i will be starting a new thread tomorrow but still keep this open for the outdoor plants....well without further adew....:rasta: