Quote Originally Posted by dragonrider
On a side note, a few posts ago I asked if there were any examples of Obama ever bringing Joe up in a speach by name. Today I heard the first example. Today Obama was saying something like, "I just LOVE Joe the Plumber. I love him so much I want to give him a tax break!" Then he goes on to make the case that the real Joe the Plumber, with his real income, not his fantasy income, would receive a larger tax break under Obama's plan than he would under McCain's plan. See how that works? That's how you use a real person to make a political point!
It's no wonder a valid question doesn't get asked by the media. People are more concerned by investigating the person rather than investigating the question.

I've said before that Joe owes back taxes.. that Joe never said he made that income.. but let's say Joe or any other business owner aspired to grow their business to 250k + net income. Well everyone has just dismised the question because they are too hung up on the person.

Regardless of Joe's real income there are many small businesses that do make over 250k and employ MANY people.

If a reporter had asked this question; whom didn't own a small business, would the question be a worthy question then? Fact is Joe asked a very real yet serious question and instead of focusing on the question they focused on Joe. Maybe that was McCain's fault for invoking his name so many times but it does not change the validity of the question which should be the main focus here.

And I'd hardly giving Joe anywhere from $10 - $20 a week as helping him with his real income.

Truth be told, taxes are so low that no one could cut taxes for the majority of middle class Americans enough to make a TRUE difference.

The focus of this topic has shifted several times after I've brought up points. From Joe the plumber and his supposed (false) connection to the keating 5, to spreading the wealth of taxes, to the number of potential americans effected by this, to Obama using the money to create his healthcare and not to actually give back income to middle class americans, to Joe's personal credibility and then to something closer to what this really boils down to... How a person's background story and it's credibility effects a valid question, but people here are so set on not accepting that it's a question that is credible and worthy of investigating for many other Small Business owners and the employee's that work for them. Does no one wonder why Obama doesn't go into greater detail instead of constantly making Jabs at Joe the plumber? Obama is invoking his name as a tool to try to make the question posed seem mediocre and stupid instead of actually addressing it in detail.

Both candidates should stop using the name and should start focusing on the question.


What will we shift the topic to next? I am amused.